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MINUTES
CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION -APRIL 24, 2001
A work session of the Hopkins City Council was held at 6:30 p.m. on Apri124, 2001, at
the City Hall. Council members present were Mayor Maxwell and Council members Brausen,
Hesch, Jensen and Johnson. City personnel present were City Manager Mielke, Economic
Director Kerrigan, Economic Development Coordinator Hartshorn, Public Works Director
Stadler, Facilities Director Strachota, Susan Newville and Kersten Elverum. Also present were
Medica President Rollinson, Medica Director Elison, Jim Vos of CRESA, Larry Bussey of
Medica, and Sid Inman of Ehlers & Associates.
Medica Project Update
Mr. Kerrigan noted major changes in the site plan include moving the parking ramp to the
northwest corner and changing it to 3 levels; reducing pond size; moving the main building west; a
second parking area in northwest corner of site; curb cuts on Second Ave. reduced to one.
President Rollinson introduced herself to the Council. A May 10 neighborhood meeting
will be held to get feedback and input. Later Mr. Stadler suggested that the city talk about
Excelsior Blvd. at that meeting; Medica personnel agreed.
Director Ellison said they hope to sign the purchase agreement Thursday, with an effective
date of May 1. They are ready to submit a preliminary TIF application May 15. Closing date is
October l; demolition would start soon thereafter. Site access issues dictated most of the plan
changes; buildings and parking ramp were moved further from the residential area and the ramp
will be much less visible. The small pond connected to the larger pond will be used to stabilize
the level for the larger pond. They hope to landscape from the pond up to the freeway to make it
look more natural. Kraus-Anderson will be the general contractor. Abatement issues have been
the major slowdown in negotiating with SuperValu, who have now agreed to do all contaminant
removal -some before building demolition, then after the building is gone removal of tanks under
the building. Medica hopes to "break ground" in 2002 and move in during 2004.
Other information given during the question period included: the TIF figures are unlikely
to change much as the square footage is staying the same (Mr. Inman noted that paid invoices need
to be shown the Council); TIF will not apply to the area set aside for another builder as TIF
money is for demolition, off-site work, etc. which will all be done by Medica; the 3-acre site for
city snow storage is in the plan; Mr. Stadler said an engineer is needed now for the intersection
and road going north (the intersection plan will need to be resolved by May 2002); elevation plans
should be available in June; lighting around the pond has not been decided on, but there will be a
path around it.
General Consensus Council comments on the changes were positive. Ms. Johnson
suggested they use images as they did at the December neighborhood meeting; Ms. Hesch
suggested they explain all the work that is needed to get a clean site; Mr. Vos suggested using a
time line for that. Ms. Jensen asked about winter skating on the pond; Mr. Vos said they like the
idea but the chemicals used for ice on parking surfaces may keep good ice from forming. All
agreed apedestrian/bike trail crossing on Excelsior Blvd. is a major issue.
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East End CBD Project Discussion
Mr. Kerrigan said part of the project site has already been purchased. Two issues need to
be decided: what type of project does the Council want and selection process for a developer. An
assessment has been done for the Luther property; they seem willing to negotiate. Family issues
need to be resolved before more can be done on the Locomen property. He feels there is enough
money set aside to finish acquisition. He has told interested developers that the plan is for all the
property. Mr. Inman noted that when a project generates as much competition as this one already
has, the city doesn't need to "give" so much. The developer would do the marketing study as part
of their presentation for financial backing. Mr. Mielke noted that the more specific the Council
requirements, the more a marketing study is needed. During the discussion on "retail versus
service businesses" Mr. Kerrigan noted in the past retail space was hard to rent in that area; Mr.
Inman noted that if the land is sold for less, the landowners can charge less for space. There
would be 60-100 housing units.
Ms. Johnson asked about the historical issues. Ms Elverum said there is a May 15 deadline
to apply for funding which could be used for demolition, design elements. She could put in a
preliminary application by then.
General Consensus: There should be mixed use. The housing portion should be "no
children" and with at least one building designated for "upscale" seniors (50 and over). That on
Seventh could be owner-occupied, with the other building being rental units. There is no interest
in the commercial space being office space. The Council would prefer retail to service-oriented
businesses.
The project should be communicated to developers, with a June 1 deadline for submission
of ideas; Mr. Kerrigan will inform them not all property is purchased yet. A formal RFQ is not
needed; but the Council felt a public project needed publicity.
Ms. Johnson felt Zoning and Planning Commission needs to become involved. The
funding should be applied for.
Hopkins Activity Center Budget Discussion
Ms. Newville gave a slide presentation on the history, finances and usage of the Center,
and trends for centers in other similar cities. She noted daytime usage emphasizes seniors, but
evening and week-end programming is aimed at other age groups. It is not a senior center, but a
center that is the home of senior activities. She said that Friday teen nights are used mostly by ,
junior high students and that no problems have occurred inside the center. Chief Reid has
strengthened patrol coverage when they close.
Mr. Mielke said he needed direction as to how Council wants budgeting done. Youth-
oriented centers (Depot, Pavillion, Skate Park) are revenue-geared; the Activity Center is not.
The philosophy of the Recreation Dept. is that programs need to pay for themselves (but
sometimes one program "subsidizes" another, for example softball "carries" badminton), but the
city subsidizes staff and maintenance. Ms. Newville said the Center has very low program cost;
salaries/benefits account for most of the budget.
Ms. Hesch suggested Activity Center programs users be asked to pay for what they use on
a sliding scale, with an honor system being used; this approach has been successful in another
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community. Ms. Newville said program charges brought in $40,000. Some groups, such as
AA, that use the Center would go elsewhere if they had to pay. She thinks the seniors would help
if approached, but they will want all users to pay. Ms. Jensen suggested a series of "facilities
history" articles be done; Mr. Brausen said that would be good as a fund raising start; Mr.
Strachota agreed.
General Consensus: Susan Newville was asked to have a dialogue with Activity Center
users on funding, programs, what users can do to help. More information is needed on costs at
the Center and then put in context with other facilities; this should come back to the Council in
June or July. Ms. Yager should be asked to experiment with a new way to do enterprise funds so
funding for facilities is more equitable; is there a way to centralize some costs? Is an "all facilities
division" possible? (Mr. Stadler noted some of this had been discussed when the new division was
setup.) All agreed they do not want to cut services to seniors or any other group; the issue is how
to make the allocation of monies equitable among all groups served.
Other
Resource Center for Fathers & Families
Ms. Hesch said this group has no funding and no space in this area. Family Resource
Center may give them a phone line and desk space as available. This may be a future issue.
Park Nicollet Celebration of Life, Oct. 20
Council Member Hesch told the Council about the Park Nicollet Celebration and said that
she hopes Hopkins will buy at least some seats. Others agreed this needs more discussion.
Water Bills
Ms. Jensen asked when water bills would become monthly. She noted she did not received
a second notice.
Art Center carpet
Ms. Jensen said the lobby carpet is looking shabby. She also commented on recent
vandalism.
Hopkins Car Wash
Ms. Johnson asked about the property. Mr. Mielke said it has been sold to Walser who
will be dismantling it. No plans have been submitted but enlargement of service bays was
mentioned.
Mr. Mielke added that the neighboring property has been complained about by Town
Terrace. Ms. Anderson investigated and was threatened by the owner. It appears the operation
may now be illegal; further investigation continues.
Snow Storage Lot
Ms. Johnson asked that the SuperValu snow storage area be looked into. Trees have been
destroyed (including new ones along the trail); the place is a mess. Mr. Mielke will send someone.
U-Haul
Mr. Mielke reported the county attorney does not want to use eminent domain. He is
talking to the city attorney on what can be done.
City Manager Assistant
Mr. Mielke has hired an assistant who will start next week.
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Food & Beverage Tax Update
Representative Betty Folliard suggested that the Council could pass a resolution supporting
the tax. Consensus was to draft one, being sure the introductory section makes clear that such a
tax will not be implemented without public input.
Community Leaders Meeting
Mr. Mielke asked for feedback. The Council does not see a need for small discussion
groups. The approach should be "Here's the direction we are going. We need your feedback and
support." Mr. Mielke asked for a new designation for the meeting. It was agreed to use "Let's
talk." Mr. Mielke will send a letter out next Tuesday; Council can suggest further changes to the
mailing list before then.
Duluth June 20-22
Ms. Hesch, Mr. Mielke and Mr. Brausen said they plan to attend at least part of the
convention.
Ms Johnson moved adjournment; Ms. Jensen seconded. Meeting adjourned at 10:55 p.m.
Kasey Kester, Secretary
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Eugene J. ~ well, Mayor
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