07-25-05 JOINT MTG HOP & MTKASTAFF SUMMARY
CITY OF MINNETONKA
SPECIAL JOINT MEETING
HOPKINS CITY COUNCIL AND MINNETONKA CITY COUNCIL
MONDAY, JULY 25, 2005
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Council Present: Hopkins Council members:
Rick Brausen, Diane Johnson, Bruce Rowan, and Mayor Gene Maxwell.
Minnetonka Council members:
Jan Callison, Terry Schneider, AI Thomas, Brad Wiersum, and Mayor
Karen Anderson.
Staff Present: Minnetonka: City Manager John Gunyou, Assistant City Manager
Geralyn Barone, City Engineer Lee Gustafson, Community Development
Director Ron Rankin, Planning Director Geoff Olson, Community
Development Coordinator Elise Souders
Hopkins: City Manager Rick Getschow, Hopkins Director of Economic
Development and Planning Jim Kerrigan, and Hopkins Public Works
Director Steve Stadler.
Others: County Commissioner Linda Koblick, Brent Lindgren and Guy Knowlan
of Hennepin County Transportation Department, Larry Blackstad and
• Patrick Connoy of Hennepin County Community Works, and Mark
Koegler of Hoisington-Koegler.
Mayor Anderson called the meeting to order at 5:12 p.m.
1. Joint discussion regarding Shady Oak Road between Excelsior Boulevard and
Highway 7.
Anderson welcomed the group and asked for introductions. She said this is the fourth
joint study session of the city councils, and a future public hearing will be held.
Anderson recapped what the councils had agreed on at previous study sessions:
• Shady Oak Road should be four-lanes.
• There should be multiple public meetings allowing input.
• A "T" alignment was favored for the Shady Oak Road/Highway 7 intersection for
functionality.
• The councils would continue to meet together.
Anderson noted that staff and the consultants have come up with a preferred concept
and want feedback. August 23, 2005 is the tentative date for a public hearing so there
will be no public input at this meeting.
Maxwell reiterated Anderson's comment that it is important for both cities and
Hennepin County to work together to come up with the best solution.
Koegler began by reviewing the process to date. The report is in draft form and will be
finalized following the meeting. Koegler said there were two community meetings held
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in late May focusing on the alignments and redevelopment opportunities.
He then reviewed the two roadway alignment alternatives for the southern half of the
study area. He said the public comments from the May meeting were similar to the
March meeting in that the public generally prefers concept 1, there are concerns about
traffic on Oak Drive Lane and buffering for residents on 21st Avenue, and opposition
to a Crawford Road alley connection from Bradford Road to Mainstreet.
Koegler then reviewed the four roadway alignment alternatives for the northern half of
the study area. He said public comments from the May meeting were again similar to
what was heard at the March meeting -there is strong sentiment to retain low density
housing, concerns about open space and drainage, the north service drive, and
buffering on West Park Road. Concept 6 received the strongest support because it
presented the best intersection alignment at Shady Oak Road and Highway 7.
Koegler said a fiscal impact analysis was also completed as part of the study. He said
Hennepin County has developed a general model to evaluate the impact potential
redevelopment scenarios may have to both cities and school districts. The fiscal
® implications are not substantially different.
Koegler said the original objective of the study was to assess the positives and
negatives of each alignment; however, as the study progressed a preferred direction
emerged from the comments. He said the Preferred Roadway is concept 1 for the
southern half of the study area and concept 6 for the northern half. Koegler also
indicated land use concept A on both alignments is the preferred land use concept. He
then reviewed the combined concept from Excelsior Boulevard to Highway 7.
Gustafson said one issue still to be resolved is the service drive located north of
Highway 7. This was not expected to change; however, as the intersection alignment
has changed to reflect a 90-degree angle, the drive also needed to be adjusted. He
said the north service drive is now shown to be moved northward. Gustafson indicated
that there has not been a lot of time to look at the issue, and that other options will
continue to be explored as the process continues.
Stadler said another issue is traffic movement in the 21st Avenue/20th Avenue
neighborhood area north of the duck pond. He said there have been comments that
there should be value in what remains in the neighborhood. There are also concerns
about access into the area; however, residents are generally supportive of the
alignments.
Gustafson said the Oak Drive Lane neighborhood is another area where there are
unresolved issues. He said the neighborhood has indicated they do not want a
connection to Mainstreet and some residents even support cul-de-sacing the south
entrance. Gustafson said all possibilities will be taken into consideration during
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preliminary design. Anderson asked if there is another connection for this
neighborhood. Gustafson replied there is another connection, but further west.
Anderson asked if both of the accesses from Oak Drive Lane to Shady Oak Road will
be right-in/right-out. Gustafson responded they will be.
Stadler reviewed the concerns raised from the 21st Avenue neighborhood south of the
duck pond. He said residents are concerned about the impacts from the roadway, and
staff has received a petition from the neighbors supporting concept 2. Stadler said that
concept 1 would allow improvements to what is there today. He also added that the
neighborhood has concerns about traffic movement and that will be looked at more
closely as the process continues.
Maxwell asked if there are concerns with having 1st Street cul-de-saced. Stadler
responded the concerns are not about the cul-de-sac, but with the traffic movement.
Gustafson said the Crawford Road "alley" has been shown in the past as a way to
connect Mainstreet to Bradford Road. He said this option was shown at the
neighborhood meetings, but the neighbors do not want this connection.
Gustafson said it can be hard for residents to understand what the new roadway
cross-section may look like when it is complete. He said for reconstruction of Shady
Oak Road, south of Excelsior Boulevard, a series of illustrations were developed using
design elevations to show the impacts. He said this has helped to mitigate some of
the concerns about how things will look.
Anderson asked how redevelopment of the commercial area may occur and if it has to
redevelop as the new roadway is being reconstructed. Gustafson responded it does
not have to redevelop concurrent to the roadway project; however, parking may be
eliminated with the roadway project. He shared an aerial photograph illustrating how
the parking may be eliminated, and said that it is a key issue that needs to be
addressed. Anderson asked when the area is redeveloped if the Crawford Road
"alley" needs to be extended to Bradford Road. Gustafson replied it does not have to
be connected to Bradford Road and can be blended in as a driveway.
Callison was concerned about making sure that redevelopment and the roadway
project for the commercial businesses are coordinated so a lot of extra money is not
spent on building parking lots. Gustafson said no formal process is in place; however,
one will be established. Callison confirmed this will be a second step after the roadway
alignment is chosen. Gustafson said there are several other processes that will occur.
Rowan asked if the west leg of Mainstreet can serve a commercial area north of the
intersection. Gustafson said it can work for both the north and south commercial
areas.
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Maxwell inquired if the current users of the North Service Drive tend to go east or
west. He suggested that if most of the trips are to the west, then perhaps aright-
in/right-out can be made on Highway 7. Gustafson said this area needs to be looked
at more closely; however, grading becomes an issue further to the west.
Maxwell said he wants to make sure that current businesses are able to come back to
the area after the roadway project is completed if they wish.
Gustafson referred to the aerial photograph and said it also shows what a 5-lane
roadway design looks like, and this is what can be initially constructed south of
Mainstreet to ensure access to the businesses. Schneider asked staff to make sure
there are defined curb-cuts. Gustafson said businesses have been made aware that
there will be defined access points and that the locations of those access points will
be looked at during the next steps.
Callison said she is comfortable with what is shown and that work should continue on
the issues mentioned.
Maxwell said he agrees with Callison and asked if there are any programs available
for businesses that may want to stay in the area but cannot afford higher rents.
Blackstad said in the relocation packages, businesses receive adjustments and
compensation. He said while rental assistance is more structured for residential, there
are ways to deal with businesses. Blackstad said the county will start with relocation
as soon as the alignment is determined.
Schneider said he has the same concerns as Maxwell, and wondered if a disservice is
being done to the businesses during redevelopment. He said tax abatement should
be looked into. Blackstad said there are a range of possible programs. Brausen said
this is something that needs to be addressed sooner rather than later, and a packet of
information on relocation should be available at the public hearing.
Thomas said he agrees with what has been said and that all options should be looked
at for the North Service Drive. He said he likes the idea of buffers for the residential
neighborhoods and suggested that staff look at options for businesses in order to
make the right decisions.
Anderson asked that the Planning Commissions from both cities as well as the EDA
from Minnetonka and HRA from Hopkins be invited to the public hearing.
Schneider said he has no reservations about what is shown, but asked that traffic
patterns be looked at in the Oak Drive Lane neighborhood.
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Maxwell said concepts 1 and 6 make sense, and he understands the alignment may
need to be adjusted slightly as the process continues.
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Anderson agreed and said as redevelopment comes forth, staff should look at the
access points for the commercial areas.
Thomas said when the roadway project is completed, it will be a very desirable area.
Schneider said the public hearing may be better suited to be held at the Hopkins
Center for the Arts. Maxwell said staff should check on its availability.
Anderson asked if staff had enough direction. Gustafson said yes, and that a public
meeting date, time and location will be finalized. He said notices will be published in
the paper and notification will be mailed out. Anderson said she has received some
letters already and would like those letters to be included in the agenda packet for the
public hearing.
Callison said the name "concept 1 with modifications" should not be used because of
the changes to Oak Drive Lane. Gustafson said staff agrees and it will be named the
Preferred Concept.
~~ Schneider suggested having a copy of the preferred concept map included in the
notice. Gustafson said that can be done and it will also be posted on the website.
2. Adjournment.
The meeting adjourned at 6:15 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Kathleen Magrew
City Clerk
ATTEST:
Eugene . M xwell, Mayor