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11-27-1962 A regular meeting of the Zoning and Planning Commission of the City of Hopkins, Minnesota was held on Tuesday, November 27, 1962 at 7:30 p.m, in the Council ChamUers of the City Hall. • ,-. Present were Chairman Sundby, Mayor Milbert, and members Stannard, Gustafson and Malecha, :he City Manager, Brubacher, the City Engineer, Strojan, the City Building Inspector, Blomquist and the Resident Planner, Hawks. Case No. 62-33Z. Applicant: Herb Mason Subject: Hearing published August 2, 1962, on a request to rezone a Single Dwelling District to a Multiple-Dwelling District for the proposed construction of an apartment building, The location; 601 - 17th Avenue North, or that part of the West z of the Southwest 4 of Section 13, Township 117, Range 22, corresponding to the South 124' of the 200' of lot 7 in a Single-dwelling District. Request: Rezone from Single-Dwelling to Multiple-Dwelling District; continued from the August 28th, and September 25th meetings until the November 27th, 1962 Zoning and Planning Commission meeting. Action: Mr. Gustafson moved and Mr. Malecha seconded the motion to rezone from Single- Dwelling to Multiple-District; because of the objections made by several residence from Robinwood Lane expressing their concern on the existing traffic and parking conditions and what could be expected if an additonal apartment � building be constructed in the area the motion was denied; Mr. Stannard, ' ' Mr. Malecha and Mayor Milbert voting no. Case No. 62-45Z. Applicant: The Zoning and Planning Commission. Subject: To rezone from Multiple-Residence to Commercial -1- Zone that part of Lots 4, S, and 7, Block 2, West Minneapolis lying South of the North 130 feet of said lots; that part of the right-of-way of M&ST. L. Division of the Chicago and Northwestern Railroad in the Southwest 4 of the Southeast 4 of Section 24, Township 117, Range 22, lying South of a line parallel to and 130 feet South of the South line of Excelsior Avenue; from Industrial to Commercial 1- that part of the following described property lying South of a line parallel to and 130 feet South of the South line of Excelsior Avenue; Lots 9, 10, 11, 12, and 13, Auditor's Subdivision No. 242 and Tracts A, B, C, D, E, and F, and R,L.S. ��823; from Commercial -1- to Industrial zone that part of the right-of-way of the M&ST. L. Division of the Chicago and Northwestern Railroad in the Southwest 4 of Southeast 4i Section 24, Township 117, Range 22 lying , North of a line parallel to and 130 feet South of the South line of Excelsior Avenue. Request: To rezone various pieces of property so that all pieces of property be in � one zone. Action: No action was taken and the matter was continued until Thursday, December 27th, 1962 because Mr. Harlan Perbix, who had requested to be notified when the above case was again before the Commission, could not be reached for notification. Case No. 62-46. Applicant: The Zoning and Planning Commission. Subject: Conversion of dwelling units. Request: Conversion of existing dwellings into non-residential uses and the providing of dwelling units within commercial area. This item being placed on the agenda again at the request of Mr. Hawks, our Resident Planner. Action: Mr. Gustafson moved and Mr. Malecha seconded the m�tion that the following suggestions be given to the City Attorney, Mr. Vesely with the request that an amendment be drawn to Ordinance �k131 to be recommended to the City Council for its approval. 1. Except for dwellings where the non-residential use conducted is justified as a "Home Occupation" or a "Non-Conforming Use" no one or two family � ;,.� structure in a commercial or industrial zone shall be used in part as a � non-residential use. An existing one or two family residential structure may be connected to a non-residential use provided the structure is not �enlarged or structura�.ly :a�tered. �ho�tld tYta�-��r�etare.-Ue-e��arg�d or structurally altered, the entire structure shall be brought into con- formance with the building code, zoning ordinance and fire code. 2. Residential buildings containing more than two dwellings located in the The November 27th, 1962 Zoning and Planning meeting minutes continued, Page -2- commercial or industrial zone shall not have dwellings used in part for non-residential uses except as justified as a "Home Occupation" or Non- Conforming Use". A dwelling located in the ground floor may be con- verted to a commercial or industrial use as permitted subject to the building code, zoning ordinance, fire code and provided no structural "` alterations are made. 3. Providing of dwelling units in commercial buildings. This is a necessary use in most communities although not without controls. Children in downtown dwellings is not desirable, however, it is not possible to le�islate against children. Thus, it is suggested that the ordinance read "that dwelling units in commercial and industrial buildings shall not contain more than one bedroom and the location of such dwelling unit within the building shall not occupy the front half of the ground floor. 4. Conducting of a Home Occupation. The applicable provisions contained in this Ordinance shall also apply in the Commercial District. The motion carried. Case No. 62-48SP. Applicant: Super Valu. Subject: A hearing published November 15, 1962, on a request to remodel their exist- ing facilities in addition to the addition which is being constructed to _ the South of our present warehouse. This remodeling will consist of: "a 24' addition to the frozen food and meat receiving dock; remodeling of present mzat and dairy coolers; and addition to the produce cooler; the location at 101 Jefferson Avenue South or Lots 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 14 and the North 2 of Lot 15; and Lots 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26 and 27; Block 23, including that part of Northeasterly and Southwesterly alley lying between the Easterly line of Madison Avenue and the Northerly extension of Lot 27, all in said Block 23. All of Blocks 24 and 32. The South 2 of Lots 11 and all of Lots 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, and 24, Block 33. Including half of vacated Jefferson Avenue and West of the Ex- tension North of the West line of Alley in Block 33, all in West Minneapolis Center. Request: A special use permit. Action: Mr. Malecha moved and Mr. Gustafson seconded the m�tion that recommendation be made to the City Council to approve the request of Super Valu for a special use permit to remodel by constructing a proposed addition of a 24� addition to the frozen food and meat receiving dock; remodeling of present meat and dairy coolers; and addition to the produce cooler; the location at 101 Jefferson Avenue South or the same as given above. The motion carried. Case No. 62-49SP. Applicant: NAPCO Industries: Subject: To construct a proposed addition to the existing Industrial Building to gain space with adequate height for Industrial purposes. The location, 1600 South 2nd Street or that part of West 356 feet of Northwest 4 of Northwest 4 lying Northerly of railroad right-of-way and commencing 1112.65 ' East of Northwest corner of Northeast � of Northeast 4 , thence South 96 feet; thence West 25.25 feet; thence South to Northerly line of Minneapolis and St. Louis Railway right-of-way; thence Easterly along Northerly line of said right-of-way to East line of Northeast 4i thence North to Northeast corner thereof; thence West to beginning. The hearing published November 15th, 1962. Request: A special use permit. Action: Nlayor Milbert moved and Mr. Stannard seconded the motion that recommendation be made to the City Council �or their approval for a special use permit to construct a proposed addition to the existing Industrial Building on the above described location by NAPCO. �nd.The motion carried. Case No. 62-53. Applicant: Hopkins Contractors: ^ Subject: A hearing published November 15th, 1962 on a request to construct two (2) proposed industrial buildings; the location, Lots 21, 22, 23, and 24, Block 56, West Minneapolis. Request: A special use permit. The• November 27th, 1962 Zoning and Planning Commission meeting minutes continued. Page -3- Action: Mr. Gustafson moved and Mr. Malecha seconded the motion that recommendation be made to the City Council to approve the request for a special use permit made by the Hopkins Contractors to construct two (2) proposed industrial buildings on the above described property. The motion carried. Case No. 62-54. Applicant: The Chamber of Commerce. Subject: Suggestions for additional parking areas for the down-town business areas of Hopkins. Request: Approval and recommendation of the suggested parking areas to the City Council. Action: Mr. Malecha moved and Mr. Stannard seconded the motion that action on the parking areas be continued until the Thursday, December llth, 1962 meeting to be held to review the Down-Town plan. The motion carried. Mr. Malecha moved and Mr. Gustafson seconded the motion that as the December m�eting of the Zoning and Planning Commission is on Tuesday December 25th, the m�eting be held on Thursday, December 27th, 1962 at 7:30 p.m. in the City Hall, The motion carried. It was tentatively agreed that the second meeting of the Zoning and Planning Comnission would be held on the second Tuesdays of each month unless some unexpected and unforseen conditions take place. Mr. Gustafson moved and Mr. Malecha seconded the motion that no further business appearing the Commission stand adjourned. The m�tion carried. C. R. Peterson, Secretary of the Commission MEMBERS: ATTEST: Howard G. Sundby, Chariman .�-� . A regular meeting of the Zoning and Planning Commission of the City of Hopkins, Minnesota was held on Tuesday, November 27, 1962 at 7:30 p.m, in the Council Chambers of the City Ha 11. .-. Present w�re Chairma.n Sundby, Mayor Milbert, and members Stannard, Gustafson and Malecha, the City Manager, Brubacher, the City Engineer, Strojan, the City Building Inspector, Blomquist and the Resident Planner, Hawks. Mr. Sundby called the meeting to ord�� at 7:30 p.m. Case No. 62-33Z Applicant: Herb Mason Subject: Hearing published August 2, on a request to rezone a Si.�gle Dwelling Distr•ict to a Multiple-Dwelling District for the proposed construction of an apartment building. The location, 601 - 17th Avenue North, or that part of the West 2 of the Southwest 4 of Section 13, Township 117, Range 22, corresponding to � the South 124' of the West 200' of Lot 7 in a Single-Dwelling District. Request: Rezone from Single-Dwelling to Multiple-Dwelling District; continued from the August 28, 1962 and September 25th meetings until the November 27th Zoning and Planning Commission meeting. Action Required: Recommend to the City Council: Mr. Sundby: "Mr. Hawks do you have any new findings on this case?" Mr. Hawks: "Yes, (as he passes out new case reports on the case)." "There was an error that showed up that was different, the lot is much smaller." "The first figures we used to figure density were made based on a lot size of 124' x 260'that gave us 32,240 sq. feet." "The lot size is 124' x 200' or 24,800 sq. ft." "The number of units were therefore reduced from 24 to 18." "The type of building he has in mind is something like this one." (holds up a set of building plans Mr. Mason had given him.) "It will be a three floors." The 18 unit will be designed on the three floor plan and will take less space . than the two 12 units that was originally proposed." "There will be more parking space than before." Mayor Milbert to Mr. Sundby: "Are there anyone objecting?" M. Sundby: "Are there anyone here objecting to this rezoning?" Several people raised their hands. Mr. HaRks: "This was not Mr. Masons' fault." "It was my fatilt." "One of the objections raised before was the traffic hazards." "The County say they will be reducing _ the grade when they up-grade ��73." "So far as the property owners are concerned it is now better than it was." "The development is now better off • than before as far as parking up and down the streets etc." "I see no reason why the residence from this -proposed apartment would be parking in this area." -1- The November 27th, 1962 Zoning and Parking Commission meeting minutes contined. Resident of 728 Robinwood Lane: "Our objections are the same as before." "We still feel the load of traffic is such that the addionally traffic would only .-. increase our problems." "The parking would only increase also." "We ha3 the snoca and everbody was plowed out four days before we could get �he cars rnoved off of our street so the street could Ue cleaned " Mr. Elliot: I 1+_ve in Minnetonka and shouldn't even be here, but I represent the property owners on the other side of the street." "We also feel as the folks on the South side of the street do." Resident of 705 Robinwood Lane: "From the figure I get here the density is reduced by 60% and you are only reducing the number of apartments by 25%." Mr. Hawks: "The ordinances ask for 1000 sq. feet for each apa�tment unit." "The last time we felt that the 18 units are running around 1380 feet per unit." Mr. Hawks: "How many two bedroom apartments do they have. ?" � Mr. Mason: "The only think I can say is that I did not find out until this evening that the mistake had been made in figur:ng my footage and so I can't say how�mariy two bedroom units there will be." Mr. Sundby: "Mr. Brubc�cher, will the snow plowing improve any?" Mr. Brubacher: "No this will get better." Mr. Hawks: "The way that the multiple to the East was planned, the parking lots are not or they do not have enough parking." "Some of the problems come from the multiple to the East." "We are really talking about the building that is suggested for this area and it will not have parking problems. Resident of 705: "How many parking spaces will you have?" ,� Mr. Hawks: "There will be four more than the units." Resident of 705: "You will have a good many units that will have more than one car per unit." Mr. Hawks: "The apartments in the downto�cn area are running less than one per unit." "In Orano the are running over one car per unit." There can be parking out in the street when there are parties and the likes of that." Resident of 705: "Where will they park, in front of our garages or homes." "If we should get company there is not any place for our company to park." Mrs. Palm: "I do not think you understand fully about the traffic on this corner." "The street is backed-up from the corner and from the hill." "Then we would have all of the cars from ?8 more units to contend with." "So until some � t;�;.ng is done with ��73 I just don't think you know how much traffic there is." A1 Palm: "We see a letter further that just this one project." "We see to the South." "That again will add to the problem that we already have." -2- The November 27th, 1962 Zoning and Planning Commission meeting minutes continuad. Mr. Mason: "The property to the South is for parking from the stores and the motel." Mr. Palm: "The shopping space has parking, but will be it the only think that is put in there?" .-. Mr. Mason: "John, do you have any idea what the car count on �k73 is?" "Several 1000?" Mr. Strojan: "Oh yes." Mr. Mason: "I do not feel that the addition of 18 cars more should have any bearing at this time." "Robbinwood Lane was bad for this last snow because we were putting in bituminous surfacing on our parking lot for the motel." "That is why the cars had to go over to Robbinwood Lane to park." Mr, Sundby: "Would the County say when ��iie County work will be done on ��73?" Mr. Hawks: "No, they did not say or give any time." Mr. Brubacher: "The county is spending $350,000 on ��73, putting in a new bridge etc." ^ May�.;r Milbert: "There is no promise of improvement by the County in the spring." "This road is North of the resturant and store." "The people should take the East road instead of Robbinwood lane." "Pure Oil will not give any property for they will have to move when ��73 is improved." Mr. Stannard: "Do they have enough room to widden ��73?" Mr. Strojan: "Yes, to 66 feet unless they lower it," Mayor Milbert: "They propose to do it but would not give us a date." Mr. Hawks: "If they up-grarle it this is what they will do." (He means the County will widden ��73) . Mr. Sundby: "Mr. Hawks at the prsent time you said there are 1380 sq, feet per .-. apartment unit?" Mr. Hawks: "yes". Mr. Hawks: To Mr. Blomquist; "what did Simmons have?"; 1500 sq feet?" Mr. Blomquist: "He cut it down from 24 units to 16." "I can't say for sure, he brought in so many plans that I will have to go look it up." Mr. Gustafson moved and Mr. Malecha seconded the motion to rezone from Single-Dwelling to Multiple-District; because of the objections made by several residence from Robinwood Lane expressing their concern on the existing traffic and parking conditions and what could be expected if an additional apartment building be constructed in the area the naoi:ion was denied. Mr. Stannard, Mr. Malecha and Ma.yor Milbert voting no. Mr. Sundby as chairman tiiot voting. '1 Mr. Sundby: • Case No. 62-45Z. Applicant: The Zoning and Planning Commission: Subject: To rezone from Multiple-Residence to Commercial -1- zone that part of Lots -3- The November 27th, 1962 Zoning and Planning Commission meeting minutes contined. 4, 5, 7, Block 2, West Minneapolis lying South of the North 130 feet of said lots; that part of the right-of-way of M&ST. L. Division of the Chicago ^ & Northwest Railroad in the Southwest 4 of the Southeast 4 of Section 24, Township 117, Range 22, lying South of a line parallel to and 130 feet South of the South line of Excelsior Avenue; from Industrial to Commercial -1- that part of the following described property lying South of a line parallel to and 130 feet South of the South line of Excelsior Avenue; Lots 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13, Auditor's Subdivision No. 242 and Tracts A, B, C D, E, and F, and R.L.S. ��823; from Commercial -1- to Industrial zone that part of the right-of way of the M&ST. L. Division of the Chicago and Northwestern Railroad in the Southwest 4 of Southeast 4, Section 24, Township 117, Range 22 lying North of a line parallel to and 130 feet South of the South line of Excelsior � Avenue Request: To rezone various pieces of property so that all pieces of property be in one zone. Action: No action was taken and the ma.tter was continued until Thursday, December 27th, 1962 because Mr. Harlan Perbix, who had requested to be notified when the above case was again before the Commission, could not bS reached for notification. Mr. Sundby: Case No. 62-46 Applicant: The Zoning and Planning Commission Subject: Conversion of dwelling units. .-. ` Request: Conversion of existing dwellings into non-residential uses and the providing of dwelling units within commercial area. This item is being placed on the agenda again at the request of Mr. Hawks, our Resident Planner. Mr. Sundby: Have you somet}aing Mr. Hawks?" Mr. Hawks: "When this problem came up sometime ago the first memo had five points to it." "The one that would cause some problems." "Since then I have come up with this other problem." "This occures where the area was not �z�oneci Commercial." "In Minneapolis they will add twenty feet and then they are able to put up non-�esidential uses in front of older homes; you can see a good deal of this on Lyndale �venue." r Mr. Hawks: "Reading from his Supplement to Memo on "Conversion of Dwelling Unit" 1. Except for dwellings where the non-residential use conducted is just- ified as a "Home Occupation" or a "Non Conforming Use" no one or two family structure in a commercial or industrial zone shall be used in p part as a non-residential use. An exisc:�.ng one or two family residential -4- The November 27th, 1962 Zoning and Planning Commission meeting minutes continued. structure may be connected to a non-residential use provided the structure is not enlarged or structurally altered. Should the structure '� be enlarged or struct��rally altered, the ent�_re structure sha?_1 be brought into conformance with the building code, zoning ordinance and fire code." "In other words wh�n a business man buys a house to get land it is expences." "If he wants to buy it he canthen buy and start over." "�hen he will not have to remove the house from the site." "He can add if it is according to the code." "This is difficult as we have not come up with an iron clade code." "The Atorne�es on 9th have converte� a house in this manner." "No one is living there." "The house next door is questionable." "He did too much work on it." "It will be to hard to get his money out of it." „ 2. Residential buildings containing more than two dwellings located in the commercial or industrial zone shall not have dwellings used in part for non-residential uses except as justified as a "Home Occupation" or "Non Conforming Use.". A dwelling located in the ground floor may be converted to a commercial or industrial use as permitted subject to the building code, zoning ordinance, firecode and provided no structrual alterations are made. "This type of thing you find in an apartment building." "You take one apartment and make it into a retail business." "If you conform with the code it is all right." "Some businesses you just could not convert to." "This would take care of what most of your problems would be." 4. "Providing of dwelling units in commercial buildings. This is a necessary use in most communities although not without controls. Childre: in downtown dwellings is not desirable, however, it is not possible to legislate against children. Thus, it is suggested that the ordinance read, "that dwelling units in commercial and industrial buildings shall not contain more than one bedroom and the location of such dwelling unit within the building shall not occupy the front half of the ground floor. "In other words you would not open up a room in the down town area off of the business portion of the business for living quarters." You could convert an apartment into two bedrooms if you had a one bedroom .-� apartment." "You could make the room into two apartments." "The problem would be to design two apartments and use the whole upstairs as you would one home." "It is the only way we could do this and not make it to hard to enforce," Mayor Milbert: "He, McGannon, can or could do this?" -5- The November 27th, 1962 Zoning and Planning Commission meeting minutes contined. Mr, Hawks: "Yes, this he can do." Mayor Milbert: "I see nothing the matter with it." Mr. Hawks: "It is like living in Meadowbrook Manner and having to rent two a;�,��tiuents to take care of your family." "No one over there would care if you rented three apartments as long as the rent was paid." "But you can not have two principal buildings when one is a business building." no t Mr. Hawks: "You should/have this in an industrial zone, however." "Motex has a large building, do we have any other?" Mr. Brubacher: "I suggest these ideas be sent to the City Attorney, Mr. Vesely, to be prepared in an ordinance form to be submitted to the Council." Mr. Hawks: "Do you have any others?" "The one ��aho wants to put in seven apartments over the insurance building would be taken care of with this ordinance." Mr. Hawks: "Where Mr. Harriman moved in, he can move in but he can not move any bearing walls, or rent out an apgstment upstairs, this type of use does not apply to the ordinance." Mayor Milbert: "This would allow this fellow to build over this Insurance building;" Mr. Hawks: "He is inside the parking area and he will not have to be concerned by having additional space for parking." Mr. Sundby: "I will entertain a motion." Mr. Gustafson rnoved and Mr. Malecha seconded the motion that the above suggestions be given to the City Attorney, Mr. Vesely, with the request that an amendment be drawn to Ordinance ��131 to be recommended to the City Council for its approval. The motion carried. .� Mr. Sundby: Case 62-48SP Applicant: Super Valu Subject: A hearing published November 15, 1962, on a request to remodel their existing facilities in addition to the addition which is being constructed to the South of our present warehouse. This remodeling will consist of; "a 24� addition to the frozen food and meat receiving dock; remodeling of present meat and dairy coolers; and addition to the produce cooler; the location at 101 Jefferson Avenue South or Lots l, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 14 and the North z of Lot 15; and Lots 19, 20, 22, 21, 23, 24, 25, 26 and 27; Block 23, including that part of Northeasterly and Southwesterly alley lying .--. between the Easterly line of Madison Avenue and the Northerly extension of Lot 27, all in said Block 23. All of Blocks 24 and 32. The South 2 of Lots 11 and all of Lots 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, and 24, Block 33. Including half of vacated Jefferson Avenue and West of the Extension North of the West line of Alley in Block 33, all in West Minneapolis Center. -6- The November 27th 1962 Zoning and Planning Commission meeting minutes continued. Mr. Sundby: "Is there anyone here on this hearing;" Mr. Dugan: "I am here to represent Super Valu on this hearing." ,-. No one else appeared. Mr. Dugan: "I think Mr. Hawks and Mr. Blomquist have seen our plans , they have gone over them and approve them," Mr. Sundby: "Mr. Hawks, what are your finding?" Mr. Hawks: The plans of Super Valu are laid out on the table and the members look them over. "You have read my findings in the report that was sent you with the agenda." Mr. Blomquist: "This is the North end." Mr. Hawks: "You are going to put a cover over the dock?" Mr. Dugan: "There is a cover there now." Mr. Hawks: "Your are going to pick up the dock and add on to it?" .-. Mr. Dugan: "Yes." Mr. Hawks: "You wi11 add the cover as well?" Mr. Dugan: "Yes." Mr. Hawks: "In industrial zones you can have up to 60 % coverage of the property." "Most industrial operations use 60'/0." "This is a very tight." "They do not exceed the 60% coverage." "Their use is conforming." "I am assuming that you are going to take care of the surfacing of the parking lots?" Mr. Dugan: "Yes, Mr. Winslow talked to you about this." Mr. Hawks: "Yes, but as it has not be done as yet, I wanted to be assured." Mr. Sundby: "Are there anyone here that is opposing this improvement?" � Mr. Sundby: "I will entertain a motion." Mr. Malecha moved and Mr. Gustafson seconded the motion that recommendation be made to the City Council to approve the request of Super Valu for a special use permit to re- model by constructing a proposed addition of a 24' addition to the frozen food and meat receiving dock; remodeling of present meat and dairy coolers; and addition to the produce cooler; the location at 101 Jefferson Avenue South or the same as given above. The motion carried. Mr. Sundby: Case 62-49-SP. Applicant: NAPCO Industries; 1600 South 2nd Street. Subject: To construct a proposed addition to the existing Industrial Building to gain space with adequate height for Industrail Building to gain space with adequate height for Industrail purposes. The location; that part of West 356 feet of Northwest 4 of Northwest 4 lying Northerly of railroad right-of -way and commencing 1112.65' East of Northwest corner of Northeast 4 of -7- The November 27th, 1962 Zoning and Planning Commission meeting minutes continued. Northeast 4i thence South 96 feet; thence West 25.25 feet; thence South to Northerly line of Minneapolis and St. Louis Railway right-of-way; thence Easterly along Northerly line of said right-of-way to East line of Northea5t 4i thence North to Northeast corner thereof; thence West to beginning, The hearing published November 15, 1962. Request: A special use permit. Mr. Sundby: "Is there anyone here on this hearing?" Mr. Eck: "I represent NAPCO Industries." "This is the one when we did not have time to publish a hearing before be could get our footings." Mayor Milbert moved and Mr. Stannard seconded the motion that recommendation be made to the City CounciJ_ for their approval for a special use permit to construct a proposed addition to the existing Industrial Building on the above described location by NAPCO. Inc. The motion carried. ^ Mr. Sundby: Case No. 62-53 Applicant: Hopkins Contractors. Subject: A hearing published November 15th, 1962 on a request to construct two (2) proposed industrail buildings; the location, Lots 21, 22, 23, and 24, Block 56, West Minneapolis. Request: A special use permit. Mr. Sundby: Is there anyone here on this hearing?" Mr. Nelson: "I represent myself." Mr. Sundby: "Mr. Hawks, what are your findings?" Mr. Hawks: "I think you all received a copy of the findings." "We have gone over ► again with the 60% coverage clause with Mr. Nelson." "I have spent three hours with Mr. Nelson and have come up with two (2) office b't�ildings instead of one." "These buildings are designed to function independently." "They are offices or warehouse space." "They are to have brick fronts and trim." There will be 50 feet of space for plenty of room to back up in." "This is to be front yard." "They are mad to be divided into a three way division." "They are right across the street from the building that Honeywell is renting." "You will have 24 feet of grass." Tlie Sewer and water are both in." "We will be having to surface this road soon." "ti�3:s is 15 feet, all for off street parking." "It is better than most of the buildings down there." "' Mr. Stannard: "Is the alley in now?" Mr. Hawks: ' "No, it is not." Mr. Stannard: "The plans show only three feet off of the alley is that room enough?" Mr. Hawks: "There can be nothing built up there." Mr. Nelson: "He means , the approach into the alley." "Most of these building come in -8- The November 27th Zoning and Planning Commission meeting minutes continued. Mayor Milbert: "It has sort of been agreed that we would meet on the second Tuesday of the month." .-. Mr. Sundby: "Would you like to discuss it at this time. ?" "That would be on December llth, a full committee there, everyone should be there so that we don't have to keep going over the same material all of the time." Mr. Peterson: "There is special court set up for this room on the evening of December llth, 1962." Mr. Sundby: "We can have it somewhere." "At the usual time of 7:30." Mr. Timmerman: Mr. Chairman would it be all right if the down-town plan committee be at this meeting?" Mr. Sundby: "Yes, this ��ould be fine." Mr. Sundby: The 2nd.Tuesday will be the evening for the work on the 701 plan also." Mr. Brubacher: The second Tuesday in December there will probably be a Council meeting." "� Mr. Sundby: "We will work around that, we will have to." Mr. Sundby: "Then as our next Zoning and Planning Commission date falls on December 25th that date will have to be changed." Mr. Brubacher: "Do you suppose we could act on any of the other problems?" Mr. Sundby: "We would like to be brought up to date on these things." "On the z•��port from the Highway Consultants etc." "I had three calls to my home asking about it and could not tell them anything." Mayor Milbert: "Don't feel bad, the Council have not had a report as yet." Mr. Brubacher: The City has not had any report as yet." Mr. Brubacher: "Bartons were here on a working session, they had the County and State ... men in." "Their report is do on this very soon." Mayor Milbert: "If the report comes in may we have it at the December 12th meeting?" Mr. Brubacher: "Yes, we can bring it." Mr. Hawks: "As from my stand point lets make it a dress rehearsal on the T�ecember llth meeting." Mr. Brubacher: "Anything that the Commission would like to have us get for them, we will be glad to do so." Mr. Malecha: "How long have these committees been working?" Mr. Brubacher: "Since last March," Mr. Stan.na.rd and Mayor Milbert are members of the co�nittee." May�r Milbert: "May we have maps on the down-town plan and on this parking area plan?" � Also on the reports from the Engineers if any of them come in." Mayor Milbert: "If you get this literature you will see that this parking plan varies from the parking on the DoRn-toRn Plan." Mr. Brubacher: "This is something we made up for the post office." Mayor Milbert: "Kee in mind that part of this porperty will have to be rezoned." -10- The November 27th, 1962 Zoning and Planning Commission meeting minutes continued. from the front." Mr. Stannard: "The semi's will come in from the front?" .-. Mr. Hawks: "They could come up the alley or wait." "You could come up like this?" Mr. Nelson: "They could use the side door." Mr. Stannard: "Or they come go down 12th." Mayor Milbert: "That is not through yet." Mr. Sundby: "Any other questions. (The above conversation was going on during the reviewing of the plans of Mr. Nelsons proposed building.) Mr. Gustafson moved and Mr. Malecha seconded the motion that recommendation be made to the City Council to approve the request for a special use permit made by the Hopkins Contractors to construct two (2) proposed industrial buildings on the above described property. The motion carried. Mr. Sundby: "�' Case No. 62-54. Applicant: The Chamber o� Conunerce. Subject: The suggestion of additional parking areas for the down-town business areas of Hopkins. Request: Approval of the areas planned. Mr. Sundby: Are they anyone here to speak on this action?' Mr. Brubacher: Doug and Don Hagen are here, Russ Zaka.riasen planned to come." "The plan was presented to the City Council at their last meeting. The Council requested the plan be given to the Zoning and Planning Commission for their study and reco�nendation." .-. Mr. Timmerman: "What we did was take the down-town plan and go from there." "Mr. Timmerman explained the different coloring of the map and what they stood for." "Thirty one lots have been recommended." "The petition as such has been presented to 60% of the business men." "The 60% contacted see the need." "We have not contacted all of the people conceraed." "They all understand what we are asking for." "We have a few people who are not overly receptive." "However, most of the people are in favor of the plan." "We have not gone to this area by Bob Mason," "I think all of you know what the area by Brusches is like." "I am sure that all of you know what these conditions are like." Mayor Milbert: "I get the feeling that it looks like we should also take the down-town --. plan into consideration at the same time." Mr. Sundby: "One of the :if�:ms will be to set a date for study of the down-town plan." "If you feel ae are unable to act on it now we should set a date to do so." Mr. Hawks: "Their is a lot of material that should get into your hands before you do to much work on the down-town plan. -9- The November 27th, 1962 Zoning and Planning Commission meeting minutes continued. Mr. Brubacher: "This is the plan." "The proposed C.B.D. would probable be multiplied." Mayor Milbert: "This other thing, the post office thing should be on the agenda also." ..-. Mr. Brubacher: "We have proposed to the government that the post office be in two different areas. : Mayor Milbert: "The truck area should not be in the center of our down-town plan." Mr. Brubacher: "They are thinking of a regional Post Office; one that would take care of mail as far out as Glencoe and Hutchinson." It would mean a large trucking business." "If this area that we proposed was�to be used it would not distroy good homes." "It will be really difficult to pick these homes up." "We tired to get the urban renewal to do the purchasing them ourselves without the City having to do it." "We have keep it out of the news be- cause other cities would want the building and the employ.;ient it will mean." Mayor Milbert: "It will mean from three to four hundred people that would have work ' in it." "It would be good business for Hopkins." (I did not hear what was said befor the word several) . Mr. Brubacher: '�We have been havin�)several meetings with the Masonic Lodge to do some- thing about or with the Library." Mr. Hawks: "We are looking for a new area; Motex are also trying to do something." Mr. Brubacher: "We will have to decide what we are going to c}o about 16th Avenue." "We have been turned down with the crossing." "Now we are going to take it to court." "But we are going to have to have the answers soon for NAPCO. Mr. Hawks: "NAPCO knows this." "They would like to have the area to go under or ovEr or something." Mr. Sundby: "Do I have a motion to adjourn?" Mr. Malecha moved and Mr. Gustafson seconded the motion that as the December meeting of �.. the Zoning and Planning Commission is on Tuesday December 25th, the meeting be held on Thursday, December 27th, 1962 at 7: 30 p.m, in the City Hall. The motion carried. Mr. Peterson was ask to see if the "First Aid Group" could use another place for their December 27th meeting. It was tentatively agreed that the second meeting of the Zoning and Planning Com-nission would be held on the second Tuesdays of each month unless some unexpected and unforseen conditions take place Mr. Gustafson moved and Mr. Malecha seconded the motion that no further business appear- ing, the Commission stand adjourned. The motion carried. .--.