01-29-1963 A regular meeting of the Zoning and Planning Comnission of the City of Hopkins, Minnesota
was held on Tuesday, January 29th, 1963, at 7:30 p.m, in the Council Chambers of the City
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Present were Chairman Sundby, members Mayor Milbert, Wegleitner, Stannard, Councilman Else
and Malecha, the City Manager, Brubacher, the City Engineer, Strojan, the City Building
� Inspector, Blomquist and the City Planner, Hawks.
Case No. 62-40
Applicant: Richard Lee
Subject: Hearing continued from the December 27th, 1962 meeting, on a request to con-
struct a proposed clinic type building under the provisions of Ordinance ��131,
Section 5, Subdivision 1-D-1; and under Section 15, Subdivision 2-B; the location,
Lots 13 and 14, Block 80, West Minneapolis 2nd. Division.
Request: A yard requirement and grant a Special Use Permit for an office building in
the D-R District plus variances to the side yard.
Action: Mr. Wegleitner muved and Mr. Else seconded the mution that the above request
be continued indefinitely or until such time as we have more co_nplete details
concerning the proposed building. The motion carried.
Case No. 62-55
Applicant: Clark Oil Company
Subject: Hearing published January 17th, 1963, on a request for the issuance of a
Special Use Permit to construct a proposed gasoline service station at 1702
Excelsior Avenue West; on the North 122 feet of the following: Lot 6 and 7
.... and the East 25 feet of Lot 5, Block 2, Boulevard Manor.
Request: A special use and building permits.
Action: Mr. Else moved and Mr. Stannard seconde3 the motion to recommend approval to
the City Council of the request for a Special Use Permit and a building permit
to the Clark Oil Company to construct a proposed gasoline service station at
1702 Excelsior Avenue West on the North 122 feet of the following: Lot 6 and
7 and the East 25 feet of Lot 5, Block 2, Boulevard Manor with the following
provisions: (a) that there be room for two cars to stop on Excelsior Avenue
between the West line of 17th. Avenue South and the station's curb cuts; (b)
that all curb cuts be kept to 22 foot widths; (c) that the curbs and side-
walks be installed; (d) that the station�s sign be set back as shown on plan;
(e) that the proposed service station shall be used only in accordinance with
the plans as presented to the Zoning and Planning Cocmnission by Clark Oil
Co:npany; (f) that the above requested permits be subject to the approval of
the Cities Engineer, Mr. Strojan. The motion carried.
Case No. 63-1-V.
Applicant: Ralph Souba
Subject: Hearing published January 17th, 1963, on a request for the construction of a
proposed single residence on a 40 ft. wide lot in tne 200 Block on 18th Avenue
.-. North; Lot 25, Block 8, West Minneapolis 3rd. Division.
Request: The issuance of a building permit.
Action: Mr. Wegleitner moved and Mr. M�lecha seconded the motion that tne Zoning an3
Planning Co.�nnission recommend to the City Council that the request for a build-
ing permit to construct a proposed d�aelling on a 40 ft, lot be denied base3 on
the provisions of Section 11, SuUdivision 17 of Ordinance ��131. The motion
carrie3.
Case No. 63-2-V.
Applicant: D�n Revier
Subject: Hearing published January 17th, 1963, on a request for the construction of a
proposed single residence on a 40 ft, wide lot in the 200 Block on 18th Avenue
Narth, Lot 24, Block 8, West Minneapolis 3rd. Division.
Request: The issuance of a building permit.
Action: Mr. Wegleitner moved an3 Mr. Stannard seconded the motion that the Zoning and
Planning Conunission reconnnend to the City Council that the request for a build-
ing p�rmit to construct a proposed dwelling on a 40 ft. lot be denied base3 on
the provisions of Section 11, Subdivision 17 of Ordinance ��131. The motion
carried.
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Case No. 63-3-Z
Applicant: The Zoning and Plannin� Connnission
Subject: To make a study of the overall zoning in the City of Hopkins.
Action: No action was taken. Ho;aever, Mr. Ha�urks presented a map to the Co:rr,nission
which showed the zoning of the City at the present time. Mr. Hawks will --�,�
provide a plann�d memo on the subject for the February 12th Zo�zing and Plann=' ---
ing Co:�,nission -neeting. � - -
The minutes of the January 29th, I963 Zoning and Planning Co:�nission continued.
Mr. Brubacher gave a short review ��f the m�aeting held at 4:30 p.m, on January 29th, 1963
by Mr. Hutter of the firm of Barton Ashmand Associates Inc. Mr. Hutter covered the written
report subnitted by the ruad consultant firm to the City Council, answered questions on
^ tne report and sho�e3 a group of diagrams and maps that illustrated pertinent section of
the report. No new information was given in the m��zting b� Mr. Hutter concerning the
analysis of Barton .Ash�and Associates Inc.
Mr. Sundby read with regret the follo�ino letter fro� Mr. Wegleitner:
January 29, 1963
Hop'_cins ZoLZing an3 Planning Conunission
Hopkins, Minnesota
Attention: Mr. Howard Sundby, Chairman.
Dzar Mr. Sundby:
It is with a great deal of regret that I subrtit m� resignation from
the Hopkins City Planning Co:�nnission effective this date.
Unfortunately this is a decision which I had hoped I w�uld not be
required to Lnake at the onset of my recent illn��ss. Ho;ae-ver, I havz
n�w bezn advise3 by m� physician to curtail all my activities
inun�3iately.
My pleasant association with tne n�mbers of the Co�rnnission and the
City Administration have ;nade this dec.ision a diffi�ult one.
Very truly Yours,
A. L. Wegleitner
ALW;m�.a
cc: Mr. D. Milbert, Mayor
Mr. Sundb as Chairman of the Co:mnission ex ress 3
y, , p /l�is feelings of disappointm�nt at the
n�cessity of Mr. Wegleitners' having to be in tne position �f writing the above letter.
Tn� resignation, on behalf of the entire Co_n;nission,aas accepted by Mr. Su�.dby, w.zo
instructed the secretary to �arite a letter stating the Coimnission�s appreciation for
the many years of faithful service to the City of Hopkins by Mr. Weoleitner.
M.r. Hawks called the members attention to the memo on the library that was in the staff
findings for the evenings meeting. Mr. Hawks pointe3 out the advantages of forming a
technical library through the aid �f local business and industry and for the benefit of
~ anyone who might have need of the information. Such a library would be/very different
addition to our present library material and one that would draw people to t:�e City of
Hopkins.
Mr. Sundby instructe3 the Secretary to forward copies of Mr. Hawks' findings and sug�estions
on the library to the members of the Library Board.
The next meeting date for the Zoning and Planning Co,nnission was set for February 12th,
1963 at 7:30 p.m. in Council Chambers of the City Hall.
Tne Co��unission adjourned.
Mr. C. R. Peterson, Secretary of the Co�rnnissian
MF'�IBERS:
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ATTEST: �
Ho�aar3 G. Sundby, Chairman
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(Official Publication)
CITY OF HOPKINS
HENNEPIN COUNTY, MINNESOTA
"A HEARING ON CERTAIN APPLICATION TO CONSTRUCT
A PROPaSED SINGLE RESIDENCE OV A FORT� FO�T
WIDE LOT"
WHEREAS, written application has been made t� the Building
Inspector for the construction of a certain proposed single
residence on a forty foot wide lot on tne following described
premises situated in Hopkins, Hennepin County, Minnesota, viz:
Lot 25, Block 8, West Minneapolis, 3rd. Division.
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permits such construction under Section 15-2B and Section 11
Subdivision 17 on the above described size lot after hearing
thereon.
NOW T�HEREFORE, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that the Zoning and P lan-
ning Co:nnission of the City of Hopkins will hold a hearing on said
application in the Council Chambers in the City Hall of the City
of Hopkins January 29th, 1963 at 7:30 o'clock p.m. and that the
Building Inspector shall give seven (7) days published notice of
said hearing in the official newspaper of the City by publishing a
copy of this hearing notice therein.
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Clinton K. Blo:nquist,
Building Inspector
Published in the Hennepin County Review January 17, 1963
Building Inspector Hearing No.- 16.
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CITY OF HOPKINS
Hennepin County, Minnesota
"A RESOLUTION ORDERING A HEARING ON CERTAIN
APPLICATION TO CONSTRUCT A PROPOSED SINGLE
FAMILY DWELLING ON � FORTY FOOT WIDE LOT AND
ADJUSTMENT OF SIDE YARDS FROM EIGHT FEET TO
SEVEN FEET"
WHEREAS written application has been made to the Building
Inspector for the construction of a certain proposed single
residence on a forty foot wide lot with a side yard variance
of sev2n feet from eight feet on the following described premises
�. situated in Hopkins, Hennepin County, Minnesota, viz:
Lot 24, Block 8 West Minneapolis 3rd Division.
WHEREAS Ordinance No. 131 of the City of Hopkins presently
permits such construction sunder Section 15-2B and Section 11
Subdivision 17 on the above described size lot after hearing
thereon.
NOW THER.EFORE, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that the Zoning and Plan-
ning Commission of the City of Hopkins will hold a hearing on said
application in the Council Chambers in the City Hall of the City
of Hopkins January 29th, 1963 at 7:30 o�clock p.m. and that the
Building Inspector shall give seven (7) days published notice of
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said hearing in the official newspaper of the City by publishing a
copy of this hearing notice therein.
Clinton K. Blomquist,
Building Inspector
Published in the Hennepin County Review January 17th, 1963
Building Inspector Hearing No. 17.
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rhe January 29th, 1963 Zoning and Planning Co:mnission meeting was called to order
at 7:30 P,M. , in the Council Chamber of City Hall by �hairman, Mr. Sundby.
Mr. Sundby: We wi11 open with Old Business.
� Case No. 62-40
Applicant: Richard Lee
Subject: Hearing continued from the Dece�ber 27th, 1962 meeting, on a
request to construct a proposed clinic typ� building under the provisions
of Ordinance ��I31, Section 5, Subdivision 1-D-1; and under Se�tion 15,
Subdivision 2-B; the location; Lots 13 and 14, Block 80 West Minneapolis
2nd. Division.
Request: A yard requirement and a special use permit.
Mr. Sundby: Jim, do you want to review your findings and comnents?"
Mr. Hawks: "This has come up many times." "�e have to re-do the zoning of the town."
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"�e have thre2 bing studies at this time and rather than rezone piece
meal we would like to take a good long look at the whole zoning proble_m."
"i�e ;aould then inclu3e this particular rezoning problem at the same time."
"It may be that the area will be rezone Co:rnnercial b�yon�. the tracks and
lst. Street." "The request for a special use permit, I do not see how w�
could justify it." "To 3ay I do not feel we could justify such an issuance
for a special use p,�nnit." "Mr. Lee's thoughts have changed too." "W�
now have the site plan on what the building is." "The parking etc, looks
questionable." "It is quite a bite different than it first was."
Mr. Sundby: "Dick, you do not want this to be a special type clinic?"
Mr. Lee: "i�e went aver our plans .and they said that we should go back to just a
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clinic type building."
Mr. Sundby: "Jim, would that change your findings any?"
Mr. Hawks: "A clinic can be put up there now." "It should be 50 feet from any
boundary line." "It would be a sort of funny looking building, but it
could be built."
Mayor Milbert: "In other words we are saying that it or your plans are changed so
much that it is hard for us to give a reco�nendation." "It looked more
like a Colonial type building before and would fit into the neighborhood
a lot better."
Mr. Lee. "It is hard to :nake this type of building and not have it look like an
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office building." "Espcially on this size lot and get as many sq, feet
for parking etc, as needed."
Mr. Hawks: "i�e have a lot of thin.�s going on right now." "But it will be hard to
get a building on this siz�e lot and get that many sq, ft, of parking."
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Mr. Lea: "I do not get the point �im." "Do you mean that we cannot get this build-
ing on this size lot:" "The plans show it can be done."
" Mr. Hawks: "Can you get the building size d�wn?"
Mr. Lee: "If the building was properly designe3 do you fezl that it would be an
asset to have such a building on that corner?"
Mr. Male�ha: "If w� are goin� to keep the railroad track as our natural boundary line
of zoning, then we should keep it." "But if we continue to m,�ke exceptions
we are just going to add more to our already many problems."
Mr. Lee: "I do not feel that this is really the area where an exception should not
be made." "I do not tnink the railroad is a natural boundary line for
the zones."
Mr. Malecha:"That maybe, but right now we are using the railroad track as a natural
boundary and until time for further stu3y it should continue to be the
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boundary for the zones."
Mr. Lee: "I can see that this Co�nission is not in a pastion to come up with an
answer on this corner at this meeting." "Therefore it would be better if
I just with draw the application at this time."
Mr. Sundby reads a portion of the Zoning Ordinance �k131 which states the fact Mr. Hawks
has used to base his report and findings on.
Mr. Lee: "There is just ane question, are you working with anyother body or group
in considering the rezoning of certain sections of the downtonw area?"
Mr. �undby: "Yes, we are, the Chamber of Comnerce."
Mr. Wegleitner moved and Mr. Else seconded the motion that the above request be continue3
"' indefinitely or until such time as we have more co.nplete details concerning the proposed
building. Tne motion carried.
Mr. Sundby: Case No. 62-55
Applicant: Clark Oil
Subject: Hearing published January 17th, 1963, on a request for the
issuance of a special use permit to construct a proposed gasoline station
at 1702 Excelsior Avenue, West on the North 122 feet of the follo�aing:
Lot 6 and 7 and the East 25 feet of Lot 6, Block 2, Boulevard Manor.
Request: A special use and building permit.
Mr. Sundby: "Is anyone here representing C�ark Oil Co:npan�?"
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Mr. John Lundgren: (Mr. Lundgren is the chief counsel for Clark Oil from :�Iilwaukee.)
" I am the General Counsel for Clark Oil from the Milwaukee offices." "I
do not want to go over all of the inform�tion that we have in our file."
"I would like to say that we have a different type of gasoline station."
"We believe this corner to be a natural for our type of station." "The
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area is zoned C-1." "I do not believe we would add any problems to your
City with our type of installation." "The school across the street is well
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fen�ed." "Our representative wno spots likely locations for our type of
station feels this corner to be a good location for a station." "I am not
here to go over our plans, I am here to answer any question any of you
might have about them."
Mr. Sundby: "Is there anyone here who opposes the installation of this typa of station?"
No one came forward.
Mr. Wegleitner: "How wide is 17th at this corner?"
Mr. Hawks: "It is only one-half at this corner but thre is a full way dedicated for
this corner." "We do not have the right-of-way from the school side."
Mr. Wegleitner: To Mr. Hawks, " 4�iha� problems do you see ;aith 17th in the future?"
Mr. Hawks: "There will be an extention of 17th Avenue and it will have signals."
— "If this b�comes a State-Aid Street you will have several plans you will
have to follow." "There will have to be curbs and gutters and walks."
"The other problems are pre=ty well worke3 out with that plan." "you did
have a sign, but the sign has been :�arked back on the plans." point to
the plans, "This is where office will be."
M,ayor Milbert: "Does Clark Oil own this land?"
Mr. Lundgren: "Not at the present time." "We have an option on the property." "We
will have a large e�nough piece of land that we can be movable." "We will
n�t be a traffic problen at the time �ahen the heavy going hom� traffic
is on Excelsior or when the children get out of school." "We h.ave enough
l�nd so that we can not help but be able to move our buildin; aroun�."
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M.�yor Milbert: "From the me2ting we had this P.M. we �n�.y not improve 17th street."
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Mayor Milbert: "Dick, has all of your staff seen these plans?"
Mr. Brub.scher: "There has b�en very little done on this." "Jiin has worke3 on the�n."
"Mr. M.adden said that the pl�.ns were the same as were presented b��fore."
Mr. Lundgren: "�That we did w�.nt to do is to have tne staff review the plans." "i�e have
not submitted new ones."
M.�.yor Milbert: "I think we s'_zould have the staff review the plans then at this time."
Mr. Lundgren: "This has been b�fore the �o�:n;nission aver the perio3 of the last three
years, if they have any suggestion to .nake or chan;es I am enp�were3 to
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make the•,n." "I have already inade one change, do you have any �thers?"
Mr. Hawks: "The sign was �noved back on your station in St. Louis Park." "I think
we would have to ask the same here so that it, the sign, will not be in
line ��aith the signal if 17th street is made State-Aid."
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Mr. Lun3gren: "We will agree to put the sign any where that you want it."
Mr. Hawks: Lo��king at the plans, "Where are you going to park t*ao trucks?" "That is,
if you are going to operate �nore than two cars." "It doesn't look like there
would be roo.n."
Mr. Lundgren: "You are right, there will be no more than t=ao cars at a time service3."
Mr. Ha�aks: Lo�king at the plans, "i�here 3o you park these cars that come in�"
Mr. Lundgren: "I can sez that they have not made any specific plans for tne parking of
tnis line of cars."
Mr. Ha�aks:" "If we :.ould tie all of these things do-�an so we �aould kno;a just what is
going to be happen - - -
Mr. Lundoren: "We built a station in a smaller to�rn in Wisconsin." "The �ouncil of this
town gave us a list of things that they would want us to do to get our
station to comply with the area wa �aere bsilding it in." "I would suggest
� that if you have any restrictions or suggestions that they o� put down on
the sp��cial use permit so that in the future we want have any ;nore of this
saying that this was going to be 3one ztc." "So far from the changes
Mr. Hawks has pointe3 to the only thing it would do is to knock out this
island."
Mr. Burbacher: "Must ;you have two curb �uts?"
Mr. Hawks: "lhis one of the things that is troublesome."
Mr. Lundgren: "We find that we are ab�e to get the customers in and out a lot fastex
if we have eoress and ingress." "You can get customers in and out very
much faster in this way." "i�e think it is a good thin�." "But to answer
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your question, it is not a necessity."
Mr. Brubacher: "If we go ahead and widen the street you will bn only the �aidt:� of one
car."
Mr. Lungren: "Is you limit for curb �uts 20 fe2t?"
Mr. Hawks: "No, it is 22 feet."
Mr. Brubacher: "John from your stand point, is 26 feet all right for Excelsior Avenue?"
Mr. Lundgren: 'r'ointing to plans; "You have or want two car width between there and the
curb cuts."
Mr. Hawks: "[�Then Clark Oil started their plans did the think or know that 17th could
b� �na.jor street."
M.r. Lundgren: "No, the stre2t was a nothing." "We always give_n to understand that th.is
^ street could be a better street, but this is all." "It never was thought
of as a highway location." "This is strickly a Hopkin's station." "We
try to get local people to work in the station, they are a part of the
city before we even come into it." "If we thought that t?�e street was
g�ing to be a highway street it would have been given a differe:nt - - - -"
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"The mast of our business is done between 6:30 and 9:00 p.m. ; after the
working man is home and w'nile he is taking the family shopping." "He 3oes
not want to stop in the morning on his way to work and buy gas." "He stops
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wnile he has the tim2 and gets his gasoline." "This might suprise you, but
the most of our sales range from 6 to 8 gallons of gasoline." "But you can
sea from this time schedule that our business would not be a part of any
traffic problezn between 4:00 and 5:30 in the afternoons." "Neither would
it in any way conflict with the foot traffic of the school." "So, e�ven if
the school was not fenced very well, the fo�t traffic would not enter into
tn.e picture."
Mr. Strujan: "If we have two car widths from the West line of 17th Ave_nue, is appears
to be allright."
Mr. Lundgren: "I suggest that you give us a Special Use Permit subject to tne suggestion
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of your City Engineer."
Mayor M:ilbert: "Mr. Brubacher, have you had any checks or done anything on this?"
Mr. Brubacher: "We didn`t see any sence of doing anytning right now." "We did not feel
that we could do much ab�urt it." "We did not feel that taking a traffic
count in this cold weather would prove or disprove anything."
Mr. Lundgren: "We do not think tnat tnere is any truth in the traffic creating a danger."
"As I s.aid, we sell from 5 to 8 gallons of gas per custo.ner." "The side-
walks will be painted, the school is well fenced." "Pe�ple just do not cut
across oar stations �ore than twice, after that we call the police." "In
Millwaukee, we had a 60 fo�t wide entran�e and it was a traffic hazard."
� "They would co.ne there at 60 �-niles per hour and pull up to a stop." "�Te
closed the station ourselves." "i�e felt that it was d�.ngerous." "You will
not have that type of business here." "I do n��t want you comparing this
type'.of operation, the type of operation that will on 17th Avenue with a
major highway stop."
Mayor Milbert; "But haw about the school children?"
Mr. Brubacher: "Yes, the school children do go by there same."
Mr. Lun3gren: "The school children -�aill for tne most part use a differen� entrance." "
"Also, the c:nildren are instructed to gout out the side oates."
Mr. Strojan: "The catholic sc?�ool is pretty close."
Mr Else moved and M�r. Stannard seconded the motion to recommend approval to the City Council
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of the request for a Sp�cial Use Permit and a building p�rmit to the Clark Oil Comp�.ny to
construct a proposed gasoline aervice station at 1702 Excelsior Avenue ��Test o�z the North
122 feet of the follo�aing: Lot 6 and 7 and the East 25 feet of Lot 5, Block 2, Boulevard
iKanor with tne followin� provisions: (a) that t?�ere be room for two cars to stop on
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on E�celsior Avenue between the West line of 17th. Avenue South and the station's curb
cuts; (b) that all curb cuts be kept to 22 foot widths; (c) that the curbs and side-
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walks be installed; (d) that the station's sign ba set back as shown on plan; (e) that the
proposed service station shall be used only in accordinance with the plans as presented
to the Zoning and Planning Co:nnission by Clark Oil Co.�npany; (f) that the ab�ve requested
permits be subject to the approval of the City Engineer, Mr. Strojan. The motion carried.
Mr. Sundby: C�.se No. 63-1-V.
Applicant: Ralph Souba
Subject: Hearing published January 17, 1963 on a request for the construction
of a proposed single residence an a 40 ft, wide lot in the 200 Block
on 18th Avenue North, or Lot 25 Block 8, West Minnaapolis 3rd. Division.
Mr. Sundby: "Mr. Hawks, do yflu want to gives us your finding?"
Mr. Hawks: "1. Section 11, Subdivision 17, state that a 40 foot lot may be used for
^ single family purposes if the 40 foot lot was in single o��anership upon
the effective date of this Ordinance (July 19, 1956.)"
"2. To permit the single family ho�me on a 40 foot lot, as requested, the
applicant must be granted a variance and show that (a) there are special
circumstances or conditions affecting the land, building or use desired;
(b) that the granting of the application is necessary for the preservation
and enjoyme:nt of a substantial property right; (c) that the granting of
such application will n�t materially affect adversely the health or
safety of persons residing or ,working in the neighorhoad of the property. "
"3. It is my understanding that the two lots were under com�nr�n ownership upon
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that date, thus Subdivision 17 does not apply."
"4. Haveing investigated the area in question, wnich is zoned "D-R double
residential, it was found that all of the property on both sides of 18th
between Second and Third Streets North, except for two lots, are in single
family use. The develop�nent of the 15 40 foot lots on the west side
averages 60 feet of frontage with only two having a house on 40 foot lots
on tne east side, exculding the two in question, average 65 faet of frontage.
The development of t:�e 14 40 foot lots on the east side, ex��.uding the two
in question, average 65 feet of frontage ;aith no developed lots having
only 40 feet. Thus, it is evident that even though the original plot was
for 40 foot lots, the developed pattern is for larger lots - approximately
^ one and one-half times."
"5. Considering that no evidence ;aas sub�nitted or found on the part of the City
to justify a variance, that the developed lot width of the area is larger
than requested, that the properties on each side of the two 40 foot lots are
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of sufficient width and houses so located that an additional ten feet could
b� include3 w.zich in turn �ould provide a 50 feet lot, the request does
n�t appear to be in the best interests of land planning or justified under
the Ordinance."
"6. These t�o lots came on the market because of settl¢ing an estate."
Mr. Blo:nquist: "There is more land on the North than to the South of the two lots."
Mr. Wegleitner: "Have you attempted at all or were you aware of the necessity of having
the addition footage?"
Mr. Souba: "We bought them for 50 foot lots." "We found out latter that they were only
40 foot lots,"
Mr. Wegleitner: "Have you tired to buy more footage on the North of the property?"
Mr. Revier: "It is sometimes har�, you know, when you have to buy just a little
land, you can't always do it."
"-' M,�.yor Milbert: "Who �wne3 them?"
Mr. Blomquist: "Mr. Rosengren."
Mr. Hawks: "It might be well to get togather, it is better to have a double than to not
have anything."
Mr. Souba: "What do you mean?"
Mr. Blo:�quist: "If you told the party to the North that if you did not get the additional
footage you would b� putting up a Double, he thinks that you would have a
str.onger sales point."
Mayor Milbert: "Who lives there?"
No one seemed able to ans��rer Mayor Milbert's question."
Mr. Wegleitner: "That would be your best deal, try to get an additional 20 feet and sell
the other one 10 feet of it."
Mr. Souba: "If we can not get the extra land then what?"
Mr. Blomquist: "Then you will have to get togather and build a single or a double."
Mr. Souba: "If we get the extra then we come up here for the variance?"
Mr. Weoleitner: "If you get the extra land you will not have to come up before the Zoning
and Planning Com�nission." "You just get your building permit and go ahead."
Mr. Wegleitner m��ved and Mr. Malecha seconde3 the motion that the Zoning and Planning
Co:n-nission recom-nen3 to the City Council that t?�e request for a building p�rmit to construc t
a proposed d��elling on a 40 ft, lot be 3enied base3 on the provisions of Se�tion 11 Sub-
divison 17 of Ordinance ��131. The motion carried.
� Mr. Sundby: Case No. 63-2-V.
Applicant: Don Revier
Subject: Hearing published January 17, 1963, on a request for the construction
of a proposed single residence on a 40 ft, wide lot in the 200
Block on 18th Avenue North, Lot 24, Block 8, West Minneapolis 3rd.
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Division.
Request: The issuance of a building permit.
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Mr. Sundby: "rhis i.s the s.�me as the one for Mr. Souba, Mr. Hawks treated them as one
case." "May I have a second motion that would cover the ;,ase �f Mr. Revier,
Mr. Wegleitner?"
Mr. Wegleitner: "Yes , I so move."
Mr. Sundby: "Do I have a second?"
Mr. StanL�ard seconded Mr. Wegleitner�s motion.
Mr. Wegleitner moved and Mr. Stannard seconde3 the motion that the Zo�ning an3 Planning
Connnission recomnend to the City Council that the request for a building permit to construct
a propased dwelling on a 40 ft. lot be denied based on the provisions of Se.:tion 11,
Subdivision 17 of Ordinance ��131. The motion carried.
Mr. Sundby: "I have one more little bite af business." "I am really very unhappy to read
"�- a letter I have hear." "Howe��er I can appreciate the necessity of the let�ter."
January 29, 1963
Hopkins Zoning and Planning Commission
Hopkins, Minnesota
Attention: Mr. Ho�aard Sundby, Chairman.
Daar Mr. Sundby:
It is with a great deal of regret that I submit my resignation from
the Hopkins City Plann; g Co�n;nission effective this date,
Unfortun,�.tely this is a de::eision wliich I had hoped I would not be
required to .n,�.ke �.t the onset of my re�ent illn�ss. Ho;ae�vex, I have
now bs�n advised by my p�ysician to curtail all my activities
innnediateJ.y.
My pleasant association with the members of the Co:ronission and the
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City Administration have made t:�is decision a difficult one.
Very truly yours,
A. L. Wegleitn�r
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cc: Mr. D. Milbert, Mayor.
Mr. Sundby as Chairman of the Co.�nission, expressed :his feelings of disappointment at the
ne:,essity of Mr. Wegleitners having to b4 in the positon of writing the above letter.
The resignation, on be?�alf of the eiztire Corrnnission, was accepted by Mr. Sundby, w�zo instru�t�d
the Se�retary to write a letter stating the �o:nnission's appreciation for the many years
of fait:�ful service to tne City of Hopkins by Mr. Wegleitner.
Mr. Sundby: "Jim, do you want to go ahead now wir.h t?�e last ite:n on the agenda?" "It
_, is the study of the overall zoning in the City of Hopkins."
Mr. Brubacher: "Shall I give the rep�rt on the afternoons maeting with Mr. Hutter?"
Mr, Sundby: "Yes, why don't you do that at this time."
Mr. Brubacher: "Mr, Hutter went over the report that in the book form that you all ready
have." "His recomnendation w�re the same as in the rep•�rt on b��th Highway 7 and
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County Road 18. "On Highway ��7 he could not see anything wrong with the
intersection change3 as proposed." "In fact �r. Hutter covered the written
._ report submitted before, showed a group of diagrams and maps that illustrated
pertinent section of the report. No new information was given in the meeting
by Mr. Hutter concerning the analysis of Barton .�shmand Associates and our
highways." •
Mr. Else: "He liked the State plan for County Road ��18 better than the County Plan."
Mr. Brubacher: "The County s.ays they d�n't have a plan."
Mr. Hawks: "I strongly urge that before we give approval on any plan, we have our plan
pretty wellin mind or reserve the right to ask for inter-sections; espically
b�fore we give approval on County Road ��18." "We should ;make very sure
we have are plans very much in mind," "He still felt a dimond could be done?"
Mr. Else: "I tnink we should be allowe3 to go across the center line."
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Mr. Haw'�s: "Did Mr. Peterson agree to the plan?"
Mr. Brubacher: "He said to kept the grade :.rossing rather than give up the grade crussing:'
Mr. Else: "Some day you might want to put in an under p�ss." "It could be handled in
three packages."
Mr, Sundby: "He sees the traffic streaming in here."
Mr. Brubacher: Several of us were at this meeting the County had." "rheir plans are
3rd. Street and Fram3ale to be finished by'68, really between '66 and '68."
"TYa:t_s would Ue _'in tb5 or sooner if they have the money."
Mr. Hawks: "I wish we could see a model on this."
�rubacher: "Peterson said the County did not have any plans for Hopkins."
-- I�l�.yor i�Iilber: "They do not want to be penned down on what there plans are." "They told
the Legion club not to build," "Tnat tney will be taking all of their land."
Mr. Sundby; "Will there be a full dia-nond at 17th?"
Mr. Brubacher: "Yes." "That is about it." "He ;aent through all of the report."
Mr. Hawks: "Does this complete the Barton and Ashmans work?"
Mr. Brubacher: "Yes, they �aere only hired for an appraisal analysis."
Mr. Ha�aks: "Du y�u gentlemen want to go over this Library m�mo?" "The Planning Co:rr.nissiom
have not been in on t.he library thing." "If the business firms who have
technical reports and news-letters wnich arrive weakly or mont�ly and after a
while b�come a burden because of volume(of papers and weeklies) could have a
place t� send their material to,and where they could at any future timt� refer
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to it themselves as well, it would really b� a big thing."
Mr. Sun3by: "GTnere is the Library no;a?"
Mr. Else: "It is down to;an."
Mr. Brubacher: "We are finding that a 40' x 100' building does nat make a very good lay
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out for the Library."
Mr. Else: The typ� of technical Library is a thing that could easily be worked in."
Mayor Milbert: To Mr. Brubahcer: "Have you negotiated for the contract on the rental
yet?"
Mr. Brubacher: "No not yet." "He was going to come in but has not done so yet."
Mr. Hawks: "Should we pass the memo on to the Library Board;"
Mr. Malecha: "It is a good idea." "It also would be a good idea to put them on film to
keep it up."
Mr. Hawks: "The Food Industry have just recently started a Food Industrial Course." "We
have three of the largest; _ onesnow and they will have a good number of
technical books."
Mr. Sundby: "Is this a general idea."
Mr. Hawks: "No, none of the libraries have this type of thing." "That is why it would be
^ such a good plan." "You could get started with a library of this sort that
draw people from all around."
Mr. Else: "I think as far as I am concerned it is already passed on to the Library B�.rd."
Mr. Ma.lecha: "I move that we recommend the plan." "I wonder if we are in order in doing
that?"
Mr. Hawks: "Just refer the memo to the board as information."
Mr. Sundby: "Will the Secretary of the Commission see that the memo is sent to all of
the members of the Library Board."
Mr. Blomquist: I have a very important thing that we fe�l should be recommended to the
Planning and Zoning Commission." "We have three streets that do not have a
,,,,, na.me at this time." "1. the church road; 2, East from Monroe which will
feed the lots at the end of Monroe; 3, the road back of the new building on
17 th and Highway ��7.
Mr. Else: "That spot on Monroe is the highest spot in Hopkins, why not call it Hilltop
road?"
Mr. Blomquist: " The City Engineers called the Gethsemane Minister and ask that the
Church pick a name for the street." "The Minister turned it over to the
Youth Group and ask them to pick a name for the street." "They recommended the
following names: Gethsemane Road* Church school road; Church Place;
Revelation Road; Heavens Highway; Trinity Lane and Luther Lane��'." "The %�ones
are the names that they felt would be best." "The Fire Department feels that
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naming of streets is very important." "They don't names that sound like any
other street that we already have."
Mr. Else: "If you go to Monore you will just naturally find it_,"
Mr. Hawks: "63ith any street system you have to really work on it to make it work."
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Mr. Hawks: "If you the a-b-c- system you can go that way." "St Paul is a good example
of a system that has been worked with out thought." "You can not find any
set plan for how they have arrived at their numbering."
Mr. Blomquist: "Mr. Strojan says that we have another road that has not been named." "The
one from 2nd Steet North to Farmdale road."
No action was taken.
Mr. Hawks: "I wi11 just expose you to the Zoning Map." "I am not ready to do more at this
time." He explains how the zones run on the map to the members of the Commission.
"There have been ma.ny changes since this lst, map came out." "This Boulvard
Mannor Area ior instance." "This is an area that we should give some thought
to before long." "We should decide just what type of homes or businesses we
want in this area." "This Pines Trailer Park, she wants to come into town."
"If she was to be taken in we would have to first change our Ordinances."
� Mr. Sundby: "If we have a meeting with the Minnetonka Zoning and Planning Commission
and they want to trade what do we do about it." "They do not just want to
hand over that much in taxes without getting something ba.ck."
Mayor Milbert: "How do we get them in;" "If Minnetonka dosen't want her what can we do
Eo get her?"
Mr. Hawks: "I� will not be a problem." "Just make Minnetonka take care of her."
Mr. Sundby: "What do you mean, take care of her;"
Mr. Hawks: "Ever time the sidewalk area is not cleaned, call Minnetonka. and tell them
to get over and take care of it." "When the sewer starts running down Shady
Oak Road have it reported by the Health Officer to the Minnetonka City Hall
and insist that they do something about it." "It wont take to many of this
type of calls until they will be willing to either do something for her or
let the property go into Hopkins."
Mr. Sundby: "When we have our first meeting will you be with us?"
Mr. Hawks: "Yes, I will go with you."
Mr. Sundby: "Good." "Then we can get going anytime."
Mayor Milbert: "She has from I30 to 140 unit there all of the time." "She has to pay
$32.00 per trailer." "Most of this goes to the School." "Minnetonka gets
only about $12.00."
Mr. Peterson: "That is right, they get to keep about $12.00 of the taxes she pays."
Mayor Milbert: "She requested to come in." "She wants the sewers." "I thought she said
'� she was paying over $4,000.00 in taxes."
Mr. Peterson: "We could just take it." "The law says that when a City sur-rounds a piece
of property it can annex that property."
Mayor Milbert: "She is running a good place."
Mr. Hawks: "We would not have to annex her with the idea of putting her out of business."
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Mayor Milbert: "It is not a cheap place to live." "It cost about$60.00 a month."
"Two families from there have bought homes.�'
Mr. Sundby: "We will not worry about the meeting with Minnetonka as long as you will be
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with us, Jim."
Mr. Hawks: "Before we have the meeting with Minnetonka, you look at this and figure the
roads etc."
Mr. Hawks goes back to the Boulvard Mannor area and says; "I think this area should be
put in an area of high density."
Mayor Milbert: "By that you mean multipl�?"
Mr. Sundby: "Is there much property in this area;"
Mr. Hawks: "Most of the homes are new small ramblers."
Mr. Hawks: "If we do not zone it into a specific zone it will continue to go dowA hill."
"The main thing we have to stop is th�.s type of thing." "We out to get our
^ � :���� in shape." "Now it says you have to be only 10' , who is going to
approve that?"
Mr. Blomquist: "I visted the Building Inspector in St. Louis Park and the maximum density
there is 1500' to 2000'- - "
Mr. Stannard: "When we get into this do we just have to recommend to the City Council?"
Mr. Peterson: "Yes."
Mr. Hawks: "This Minnetonka area should be an easy one to finish up; four or five months
ago they were ready to go right now." "They want to get rid of it."
Mr. Brubacher: "Thwy want to go right now and they should go along with this stripe up
here." Mr. Brubacher goes to the map on the wall and points to an area.
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��We should be ab1.e to trade even on this one."
Mr Hawks: "We should be able to do something now that we own this land."
Mr. Brubacher:"What do you want to do that for." "Just trade."
Mayor Milbert: "Our next meeting will be the 12th of February."
Mr. Sundby: "Do I have a motion for adjournment?"
�ir. Sundby did.
The meeting adourned at 9:30 p.m.
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