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92-250
4i'ecember 2, 1992
BUS SHELTER - 9TH AVENUE AND MAINSTREET
Proposed Action.
Staff recommends adoption of the following motion: Move to reaffirm
previous decision to not place a bus shelter at the east bound MTC bus stop
located at the southwest corner of Ninth Avenue and Mainstreet, adiacent to
the plaza.
overview.
As a part of planning for the Mainstreet Improvement project, the Design
Review Committee reviewed and made recommendations on bus stop locations
along Mainstreet. One of these locations is the east bound stop located at
the southwest corner of Ninth Avenue and Mainstreet directly adjacent to
the plaza. As a part of this decision making process, it was decided that
shelters would be located at all east bound stops with the exception of
Ninth Avenue. In the case of the Ninth Avenue stop, it was specifically
decided to not place a shelter at this location. This decision seemed to
be based on concerns as to how a shelter would relate to the adjacent plaza
from an esthetic perspective. There were also concerns that a shelter
would block the view of the plaza from Mainstreet.
The bus stop adjacent to the plaza has been in operation for approximately
one year. During this time, and more specifically during the last several
.months, the City has received several comments or complaints regarding the
:J.eed for a bus shelter at this location. As a result, staff reopened
discussions on this matter with the Business council and desires to review
the matter with the city Council as well.
Recently, the Business Council reviewed this issue, the possible location
of a bus shelter and shelter designs, and made a recommendation that the
City reaffirm its previous position and not locate a bus shelter on the
subject site. This recommendation/position seemed to be based on the
premise that no circumsta~ces had changed since the Design Review
Committee's previous recommendation. As a result, the Business council did
not see a need to change its position on this matter. Also, the owner of
the property directly adjacent to the plaza indicated he has not
experienced any negative ramifications to his property due to the lack of
the shelter.
Primary Issues to Consider.
o What feedback has staff
shelter?
Where would
What design
the related
received from MTC patrons regarding the bus
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the shelter be located?
alternatives are available for the shelter,
costs?
and what are
supportinq Documents.
o Location map and design drawing of shelter alternatives
o Bus stop locations along Mainstreet
4Ito ~utes of Design Review committee - 2/14/91
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Tom Harmening, Community Development Director
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~rimarv Issues to Consider
o What feedback has staff received from MTC patrons regarding the need
for a shelter?
Over the course of the last year, and in particular the last several
months, City staff has received several phone calls from MTC patrons
questioning whether a shelter would be placed at Ninth Avenue and
Mainstreet. The MTC patrons indicated that they desired a shelter to
provide them relief during the cold winter months as well as during rainy
periods in the spring, summer, and fall. Although this request is not
unusual, staff felt that perhaps this matter should be discussed once again
to insure that the city's position on this matter was clear.
o Where would the shelter be located?
Attached is a drawing illustrating the possible location of a 5 foot 6 inch
by 12 foot 6 inch shelter. The shelter would be located on the node along
Mainstreet, set back from Ninth Avenue. The shelter would not be directly
in front of the clock tower. You will note on the drawing that locating a
shelter as proposed will provide sufficient room for pedestrian movement
between the shelter and plaza.
o What design alternatives
the related costs?
.Attached are drawings of four
each option are as follows:
are available for the shelter and what are
design alternatives. The estimated cost for
Option 1 - MTC supplied shelter with asphalt shingles $1,150
Option 2 - MTC supplied shelter with slate roof. Contingent upon
suitability of structure to support the weight of the slate roof
- $2,000
Option 3 - Custom built shelter with slate roof - $5,800
option 4 - Custom built shelter with brick seat wall to match
plaza and slate roof - $8,800
At this point, staff has not identified any funding source to be used for
the construction of the shelter. However, if the Council were interested
in pursuing the shelter idea further, staff would suggest that a design
alternative be picked on a general basis to allow for further work to be
done, as well as allow staff the ability to determine funding sources. One
potential funding source would be to try to fold the cost of the shelter
into the entire Mainstreet Improvement Project.
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~lternatives.
o Approve staff's recommendation.
o Approve in concept the placement of a shelter at Ninth Avenue and
Mainstreet and direct staff to continue to work on a specific design
option and funding source.
o Table matter for further information.
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Design Review Committee meeting record ~ February 14. 1991 ~
the concrete base than the granular base relative to displacement
of the brick pavers.
Ed Stiele remarked that he was unsure of the use of the bollards.
His feel ing was the cost is too high to justify the use of this
amenity. Erkki la passed out pictures of the Osseo streetscape that
depicted a more intense use of bollards.
After considerable discussion. the DRC unanimously approved the
plan as presented.
3. Kiosks:
A kiosk detail was handed out. Tim Erkki la mentioned the unit
prices compared favorably with the Concept #5R plan al lowing the
accomodation of two or-three units within the streetscape. Three
locations were identified for the p(acement of the kiosks. The DRC
members questioned the need tor the kiosks citing them as a
potential eyesore. Most of the members agreed a kiosk should be
placed in the Plaza area at 9th Avenue. It was decided to
eliminate the kiosks within the streetscape, placing an attractive
unit in the Plaza area.
4. Plaza Desiqn Detai Is -- 9th Avenue and Mainstreet: A detail
design plan sheet was handed out tor Plaza design. Concept C. Tim
went thru the Plaza design and explained the cost was very simi lar
to Concept A. Erkkila indicated that Concept C had a few
revisions. based upon feedback from DRC members. from Plaza Concept
A which was approved at the February 7th DRC meeting. Several
comments were. made during the discussion.
a) Based upon the earlier discussion in this meeting relative
to the bus stoP. Erkkila indicated he would add the nodes on the
corner and tie the brick pavers into the Plaza. Redepenning
said he was not in favor of a bus shelter at this location.
Erkkila commented the shelter would block the view of the Plaza
from Mainstreet. It was agreed to eliminate the bus shelter.
but place a kiosk in the Plaza area.
b) Hanlon suggested we cut the size of the Plaza by
approximately 1/2 and add parking adjacent to the alley in the
southerly portion of the Plaza property. After discussion on
this point it was decided by the DRC to approve Concept C with
the revisions mentioned.
5. Banners. Christmas Decorations:
Erkki la distributed drawings indicating the relationship of the
Christmas decorations to potential conflicts with bus traffic. He
indicated the old decorations would work if the mid-level lighting
poles/fixtures were at a minimum 17 feet high. He also pointed out
how the banners would be attached to the lighting poles.