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JUlia 1, 1986 council Report 88-109
. TEMPORARY PARKING PLAN-
PARKING COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION
propo~e~Action~
At the last Parking Committee meeting the Committee initiated
discussion and recommended that the temporary parking plan be
changed to allow 2 hour parking on both sides of lOth Avenue
soutb. Staff disagrees and recommends the following motion:
"Reject the proposed change in the temoorarv 'Darkincr Dlan al'lQ.
allow it to remain as adooted as it will be monitored throuahout
the construction of the ramo for oossible changes".
The adoption of the motion made by the Parking Committee will
make available more short term parking tor customers. The staff,
however, has a concern that this change will also will add
pressure to the available long term parking in this area which is
already at a premium.
Overview.
At the May 10 City council Workshop, the Hopkins City Council, in
... conjunction with the loth/11th Avenues Parkinq Ramp construction,
approved the enclosed temporary plan. While reviewing this plan
at the May 18 Parking Committee meeting, the parking Committee
felt 10th Ave. South should be changed from all day to 2 hour
parking to provide an adequate amount of short term parking
during construction of the parking ramp. They subsequently
approved a motion reflectinq this change.
Primary Issues to Consider.
o What are the reasons for th& Parking Committee Actions?
o How would a change in policy along lOth Avenue s., as
recommended by the Parking Committee, impact the area?
o Is this change necessary at this time?
Supporting Information.
o Analysis
o Alternatives
o Recommendation
o Temporary Parking Plan
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Community Development Analyst
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Anal y.sis.
The temporary parking plan, as previously adopted, is
detailed in the enclosed report from the May lOth Council
Workshop. Based on this report and the proposal
recommanded, the Council has the following issues to
consider:
- What are the reasons for the Parking Committee actions?
In developing the temporary parking plan, staff hele
meetings with these 2 groups: area businesses and the
Parking Committee. These qroups expressed a major
concern about providing adequate short term parking near
lot #400. At that time the following were the ideas for
short term parking:
-remaining 69 spaces in lot #400
-additional 10 parallel spaces in lot .400
-use of the temporary lot south of Suburban Chevrolet
-West side of 11th Avenue be re-signed (24 spaces)
-both sides of loth Avenue be re-signed (36 spaces)
. When putting the plan in place, staff determine~ that
enough short term parking would be available without re-
signing loth Avenuec On May 18, the Parking Committee
still expressed a concern about the lack of short term
parking near lot * 400 and felt the re-Biqning of lOth
Avenue must be done.
With long term parking available in the permi.t lots and
south of County Road .3, the Committee wanted to assure
that short term parking would be at hand if needed. The
groups who are using the all day, on street parking at
this time would have to adapt and be willing to accept
their share of the burden during the construction of the
ramp.
- How would this change in policy along loth Avenue S,
recommended by the parking committee, impact the
area?
One of the major reasons for the construction of the
parking ramp is the lack of available parking south
of Mainstreet. Currently, long term parking in the
area is a high demand item and the City has little
available space. By removing approximately 30 more
parking stalls the City may be forcing more employees
into residential streets or into playing the "3 hour
move your car" game. All day parking is available
south of County Road #3, but in the past, it has been
impossible to get employees to use this lot because
of the physical and mental barrier created by County
Road #3.
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The temporary parking plan appears to provide enough
parking for short term needs. Staff plans to monitor
the situation in this area very closely throughout
the construction of the ramp to insure that this need
is being adequately addressed.
- Is this change necessary at this time?
In developing Phase I of the ramp, the city will be
losing 145 parking space. The temporary parking plan,
as adopted, is providing more parking then is
currently available.
Of the 145 parking spaces lost, only 47 are utilized
for customer parking, the remaining 98 are permit
parking~ The plan is providing 49 customer parking
spots &djacent to the current parking lot. The plan
also is providing 200 more spots south of County Road ,OJ
, 3 which will be available for use by anyone. If th9
~:. pe%~it locations fill up with customers, this area
can be used by permit ho~ders at no cost. staff
feels it is not necessary at this time to implement
this change. If upon implementation of this plan it is
found that customers do not have adequate parking, this
motion can be easily adopted.
Alternatives,
1. Reject the proposed change in the temporary parking plan and
allow it to remain as adopted as it will be monitored throughout
the construction of the ramp for possible changes.
2. That the parking Oll the loth Avenue South, from the alley
south to 1st street, be designated as 2 hour parking on both
sides of the street, pending completion of the parking ramp.
(This is the reco~~endation from the Parking Committee)
3. The parking on loth Avenue South, from the alley south to
1st street, be designated as 2 hour parking on only the east side
of the street, pending completion of the parking ramp.
4. Continue for further information.
B~commendation.
. Staff recommends the adoption of Alternative #1.
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May 5, 1988
PROPOSAL FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT
OF A TEMPORARY PARKING PLAN
'ropoae~ Action.
Staft recommends adoption of the tOllowing motion: 1t.Au tborl ze the
~~plemen~ation ot tbe t~mporary parkinR plan a8 presented".
The adoption or this recommendation will permit staft" to begin the
Implement4t1on or the temporary parking plan. while allowing ~banges
to be made it" the plan appears to be insufficient in areas. The
Parking Committee haa recomm~nded the approval ot this pIano
Overview.
Recently the Cit7 Council accepted the aite plana developed by Vedl &
Aaaoelatea tor construotlon ot tbe parking raap be~veen.l0th aDd 11th
Avenuea, nortb ot the Horvest Bank Bui141ng. Witb th18 authorlzatioD,
statt besaD preparing a detailed te.porary parking plan.
fk1a plan vaa developed to pro.~de parking ~or all permit holders and
ftuatoaera who will be cUspl8.c:ed by the oonstruction. Staft held
se..ra1 ...tinsa with area businesaea to dlacuss and prOVide the statt
wIth a4dlt1onal .suggestions and input. Theae ideaa were then used to
ley.lop tbia rlnal teaporary parking plan.
~r1.ary Xaauea to Conald~t.
. 0 What additional areas will be ut1lized for temporary
parking? .
'. 0.. What :a1gnage and controls vi11 be used to control 1!al-~.dng
"',', during construotion?"
o Bow has this arrangemcnt been arr~ved at?
o How long vill this arrangement be in place?
o What steps are being taken to intorm the public and permit
holders ot these changes?
o What ooata are involved with the iaplementation ot this .
plan?
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maps or temporary pa~ki~g areas
mapa ot available ourrent and future parking
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Detailed Backp;round.
The construction of Phase I on the parking ramp is scheduled to begin
on June 1st and last thru approximately September 15. This
cons tr'uc t 10n will remove 145 spacesj mostly permit stalls. with a
substantial amount of customer parking being retained on the site.
The enclosed map shows which spaces are .still available ror customer
parking in this area.
The provision or the most accessible and convenient parking for
customers should be ot' utmost importance to the City Council. These
remaining stalls in Lot 1400 should be signed so as only customers can
use them. A minimal number of other customer stalls will be needed to
meet occasiQnal high demand rrom local businesses.
lnalysis.
The proposed plan 1d.ll address the above i,zsues and also provide
adequate and convenient parking ror red perlllit holders. The plan, as
developed, is the following:
.. - Use the City owned property between 11th & 12th Avenues,
directly soutb or Suburban Chevrolet
- This will provide 98 permit stalls plus approximately 15
custoller stalls
- Red permit holders will alao have an option or psrking in
the blue perlltt parking lots, which currently have '6
per.its available
- The remaining 69 spaces in Lot '_00 will be signed tor 3
hour customer parking
- The municipal lot soutb ot County Road 13 will be
available rOf" all day, tree parking ualeas devel~ped by R.
L. John30n
- The vest aide ot 11th Avenue w111 be re-signed tor 2 hour
.on street" customer parking
- The 10 parallel stalls directly north or Phase I viII re-
signed ~or short term customer parking
Based on the proposal recolllmended, the Council has the following
issues to consider:
- What additional areas will be utilized tor temporary parking?
Two areas located within 2 blocks of the Central Business Distriot
will be upgraded ror use a3 parking lots. Area 1 13 located on the
City owned property immediately south of Suburban Chevrolet, between
. 11th and 12th Avenues. This lot would be located almoat directly
.adjacent to Lot 1400. -It would provide approximately 115 total
spaces, with 98 being committed to red permIt holders.
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The second area is located south of County Road 3 next to the water
to'Wer. This propel"'ty is currently owned by the city and is already in
use as a parking lot. It has approximately 220 spaces a'/ailab Ie in
it. This lot could be used by anyone who wishes to have free, all day
parking. TO' avoid a greater need for parking in the area of the ramps
construction, construction workers will be instructed to park here.
One potential problem In using this lot is that R. L. Johnson has
applied for a Conditional Use Permit. Less area will be available if
this project proceeds.
- What s1gnage and controls will be used to control parking during
construction?
Each ot the areas included in th~ temporary parking plan \1111 be
signed with the appropriate signs in a similar tashion to current
sign controls used throughout the City.
1- The remaining stalls in Lot #400 wl1l be aigtled as 3 hour
customer parking.
. 2. The parallel spots north or Pbase I will be signed as 30
a1nute or 1 hour.
3. The 2_ stalls on the west side or 11th Avenue vill be re-
signed tor 2 bour on-street parking.
II. ~he lot south ot County Road 13 will bave signs ror tree
all-day aunicipal parking. .' "
5. Miscellaneous Bigns will be posted in the area or the
construction to point out the areas at parking
availability.
6. An attempt to prOVide aigns in lots to show the proper
alignment ot vehlclea in the temporary lota is being
looked into. These lots will also have rope or cbains
showing the areas to park in.
T. The parking enforcement of ricer has been instructed to do
strict enforcement on tbese lots to prevent violations.
- Bow has this arrangement been arrived at?
Starr DIet seYeral times with the CCDC. other business owners, and the
Parking COll'm1ttce to receive suggestions and input whicb was
considered in tbe development or this tinal plan. These meetings
provided staff with intormation about areas of concern and problems to
"be concerned about.
Statt also !!let witb Steve Embretson, or Baton Corporation, to di~cU88
the use ot this area to~ parking. Mr. EmbretsoD showed some ccnoern
about the esthetics ot tb18 plan, He felt it could hinder tbe sales
011 his project, but he lias ioi1111ng i;o allow this to occur if the City
had no better alternative. Further development ~ill . suspended
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.. How long wl1l this arrangement take place?
The construction of Phase I is scheduled to last until mid September.
At this time approximately 127 stalls will become available in the
~amp. The temporary parking that is being provided. will be available
until the ramp 16 ready to accept people.
- What steps are being taken to inform the public and permit holders
of these changes?
Statt wIll begin with mailIngs to permit holders and area businesses
explaining the changes as Boon as the Council adopts a plan. Flye-rs
will also be placed on vehicles currently using the red lot to re-
Gmpha3ize these changes. Temporary signs are planned to be placed In
this area, intorming customers and residents or the changes that are
ooming. A newu release to the local paper with a map showing the
temporary parking locations viII help customers tin.d available
parking.
0~ Wbat coata are ~nYolYed w~tb the ~apleaentat~on of tb1a plan?
,:.i' the Public Works Department has quoted starr t\ price or approxl.ate~:r
~ $a,OOO to prepare the lot between 11th & 12th Avenues ror parking.
Other oosta to be oonsidered are tor tbe algns. the nu.be~ yet to be
deter.ined, and printing costs.
To off-aet these costs, the red permit holders w1l1 still be charged a
tull permit tee to use this lot. This wIll be apprOXimately $2,500.
Alternatives.
1 . Authorize the implementatioa of the temporary parking
plan as presented.
2. Authorize the implementation of a temporary parking plan
which 1s different trom the proposed plan.
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June 2. 1988 Report: 88-110
SHADY OAK PARK/SHADY OAK SHORES
OUTLOT 8 IMPROVEMENTS
Proposed Actio~
Park Board recommends the fo 11 ow; ng Mot f on: .~pprove the
improvements as proposed by the City of Hinnetonka with the
addition of 4 parking stalls and costs to be shared by both
cities as negotiated by Public Works to a maximum of $6.000
from Hopkins.
The improvements can be scheduled ar.d completed this summer
if" approved.
Over v i ew ~
Shady Oak Park Outlot B. is a small lot directly west or and
across Shady Oak Lake from Shady Oak Park. This Is the last
. .e rema i n i ng 1 and the C f ty owns on the west side of Shady Oak
Lake.
The Park Board has rev f ewed the s i tuat f on at Out 1 at B for
the past 3 months at the in it i at i on of M i nnetonka. The
sf tuat f on be I ng that res i dent s of the i mmed f at e a reas had
complained to Minnetonka about excess noise and late night
use. litter and general poor condition of Outlot B.
Primary Issues to Consider.
o Is Outlot B a necessary asset to the City of Hopkins?
o If improvements are undertaken. what is the appropriate
amount?
Supporting Information.
o Park Board. 3/21. 4/18. 5/16. 1988 Outlot B minutes
o J. Thiel. 5/13/88. Park Board Memo and attachment of
Minnetonka improvement proposal.
o J. Thiel. 4/13/88. Park Board Memo
. 0 R. Wi 1son, 3/4/88. JOin.t Recreation Board Memo and
!~tt"Chmen(0:tzlot !. location map and description.
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DETAILED BACKGROUND
The Shady Oak Beach Outlot 8 has been discussed ~or sEveral
months by the Park Board.
The issue of the use of the Outlot was discussed I n deta i J
by the Board with the consensus that the lot was used by
Hopkins residents and was desirable to improve and continue.
The Hlnnetonka Park Board came to a similar conclusion
during their review. Part of the Mfnnetonka trail system fs
planned to run through this lot and across the penfnsula to
Shady Oak Park in the future.
The gener"a I ~e81 i ng of" both Boards was that an asphalt
parking lot surFace with strfping9 Signing and landscape
improvements is needed to control the parking and a1 low good
appearance.
Minnetonka has offered to construct the parking lot as per
the 5/13/88, Hopkins Park Board memo attachment which states
they wi I 1 provfde asphalt9 curb and their park rule Signs.
. Hopkins would landscape the area to allow easier mowIng
maintenance and provide posts and erect sfgns. Hawing would
be negotiated by the Pub' i c Works Departments. The cost to
Hopkins would be under $2.000.
ANALYSIS
- Is Outlot B a necessary asset to the City Or Hopkins?
The need For Out 1 ot 8 is very difFicult to quantify as no
accurate records of attendance are ava i 1 ab J e . The gener'a I
consensus of the Park Boa r'd and several long time residents
is yes. However. the majority of' Hopkins residents are
probably not aware or this Jot. This could be rectiFied by
widespread advertisement. but this may not be desirable due
to the small par-k i ng lot, no street parking allowed and the
problems with the neighborhoOd residents.
The need of the Outlot is a individual decision For each
Counc i 1 membe r .
- If" Improvements are undertaken, What is the appropriate
amount?
This i s a very subjective question again with very lltt Ie
supporting i nformat ion.
The proposal by Mrnnetonka would appear to be the minimum
improvement that would practical.
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They propose to 1 Iml t the lot to 8 s ta 1 I s to move the
parkIng further away form the neighbors house and I fmlt the
amount of congregation. Mfnfmum amount of landscap.ng to
a110w ease of mowing and refuse pick Up. and sIgning to
al low enforcement by the Mlnnetonka Pol Ice.
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This would seem entirely adequate except for the amount of
parking if the lot Is to be used to any extent. The Park
Board felt that the lot should have at 1esst 12 sta 1 I 5 and
have made that recommendation.
ALTERNATIVES.
The City has the followIng alternatives regardfng thfs
issue:
l. Disapprove any improvements to the lot and consider its
disposal to Minnetonka or a private buyer.
2. Authorize the improvements and cost share as proposed
by Mfnnetonka with an 8 stall parking lot.
. 3. Authorize the improvements but requIre a larger number
of" parking sta 1 I 5 and or other changes to the
Mfnnetonka approval and renegotiate the cost share.
RECOMMENDATION.
The Park Board recommends Alternate No. 3 with a speciffc
recommendation of 12 car sta I I 5 .
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CITY Of HOPKINS PARK BOARD
MEETING MINUTES OF MAY 16, 1988
HOPKlNS CITY HALL
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A regular meetfng of the HopkIns Park Board was held on Hay
16 f 1988 In the Councf I Chambers of HopkIns CIty Hal I.
I. Chairwoman Connors cal led the meeting to order at 7:05
p.m.
I I . ROLL CALL
Present were members; Conn's Connors~ John Hutchison.
Christy Smith, Michael ~lnshlP and Coune f I I fa i son,
Chuck Redepennfng. Absent was member MarcIa Taubr.
Also present were starr members; Jon Th f e I , and Ray
Vogtman.
I I I. MINUTES OF THE APRIL 18, 1988 MEETING
The minutes or the Aprfl 18 t 1988 meetIng were approved
by consent~
I V. BUSINESS
. A. KNOlLWQOD POND AREA STATUS UPDATE
The Park Board discussed various optIons that
....1'1 could be consIdered for the Kno 1 1 wood pond area
. . maIntenance s'tuatlon.
The consensus o'f the Board was that the CIty
'. should consider discontinuing maIntenance of' the
pond and turn It back to the Kno I 1 wood
AssociatIon. The City could consider acceptIng
the pond area as addItional Park space If' tt was
oFFered by the Knoll wood Assocfatlon.
>' B. SHADY OAK PARK/SHADY OAK SHORES OUTLOT B UPDATE
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The Park Board dIscussed the proposal For
Improvements to Outlot B made by the Mfnnetonka
Park board. Jon Th ie 1. indicated that he had met
with Lloyd Pauly, Mlnnetonka OperatIons and
MaIntenance Director and dIscussed the proposed
I mpr'cvement 5 . Hfnnetonka oFFered to do all the
paving If' Hopkfns would do a} 1 the landscap1ng~
This would cost Hopkins under 2,000 dollars.
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Discussion followed on the size of the parkIng Jot
. and the need for Outlot B (Mlnnetonka has proposed
8 spaces maximum). The consensus was that the lot
should be retained to allow access f~r 11 ght boats
:..-/ and shore fishing. The lot size seems somewhat
limiting and should b~ larger.
J. Hutch~son moved snd M. Winship seconded B
motton to approve the M t nnetonka plan but that ~
~rkfng spaces should be added ror a total of 12
wI th one being handtcftP accessible. Costs to be!
shared as dIscussed by Lloyd Pauly and Jon Thiel.
C. HOPKINS SCHOOL DISTRICT COMMUNITY SERVICES
ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETING REPORT ;:-,
,.. Smith reported that no Issues were discussed
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that related to Hopkins Parks.
Christy Sm,th volunteered to represent the Hopkins
Park Board for another year at this committee.
At this tIme C. Redepennlng lert.
D. PARK AREA ASSiGNMENT COMMENTS
. J. Hutchison reported the use of Park Va J 'ey by
sma 1 1 children seems to be Increas!ng. M. WInshIp
IndIcated he had a call on the debr1s fn 'the
-," pub 1 t c rIght or way along the Fence near Elmo
. Park. Ray Vogtman IndIcated that the area had
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. , recently been cleaned up. A 11 parks appear to be
in generally good condition.
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Ray Vogtman reported that mowIng and spraying were
progresslng~ the she 1 ter at Burnes Park had been
stained and Shady Oak Beach would be openIng
shortly.
E. FUTURE PARK DEVELOPMENT/CAPITAL 1 MPROVf.MENT
PROGRAM
The Park Board discussed the modiFied Improvement
lIst and various methods for possible Funding.
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C. SHADY OAK PARK/SHADY OAK SHORES OUTLOT 8
t- >- The Park board continued discussion of the
situation at Outlot B. PublIc Works memo
outlining estimated Improvement casts and Dfck
Wilson; s memo on the Minnetonka Park board and
Hopkins-Minnetonka Joint recreatIon board decision 1
to recommend impro....ements to the lot were
discussed.
J. HutchIson moved and M. Taubr seconded a motIon
to recommend to the City Counci I and that Outlot 8
be upgraded as outlined In the memos at a cost not
to exceed $6000.00 and shared on a 501. basis with
Minnetonkao the improvements to be approved by the
Hopkins Pub 1 I c Works and the work shared between
Hopkins and Mfnnetonka to be negotiated by Publfc
Works. On the vote; Connors. Hutchison. Smith.
and Taubr voted yes. Winship voted no. The
motion was approved.
D. JOINT RECRE~TION BOARD MEETING
Marcia Taubr reported that the Minnetonka Tra I 1
Master Plan was discussed and reviewed.
E. HOPKINS SCHOOL DISTRICT COMMUNITY SERVICES
. ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETING REPORT
Chr I sty Sml th reported that no recent meetfng had
~I' been held.
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Ray Vogtman reviewed the Burnes Park ballrfeld
, < infield reconstruction. Connfe Connors mentfoned
the need for pa i nt I ng on the Harley Hopkins
warming house and the need for some trash clean UP
on the Blake Road to Harrison Avenue tra II . The
generai consensus was that all parks were in good
condition.
G. INTERLACHEN PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT UPDATE
The Apri I 21st meeting scheduled for neighborhood
input on the playground equipment was discussed.
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MEETING MINUTES OF MARCH 2 1 . 1988
HOPKiNS CITY HALL
A regular meeting of the HoPkins Park Board was held on
Ma r c h 2 1 . 1988 In the Counel) Chambers o~ Hopkins City Hafl.
I r . Chairwoman Connors cal led the meeting to order at 7;00
p.m.
I I . ROLL CALL
Present were members; Connie Connors, John Hutchison,
Christy Smith. Michael Winship, and Marcia Taubr.
A'lso present were starf members; Jon Thiel.. and Ray
Vogtman.
I I I . MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 22. 1988 MEETING
The minutes of the February 227 1988 meeting were
reviewed. M. Winship moved and C. Smith seconded a
motion to approve the minutes as written. On the vote:
Connors, Hutchison, Smith, Taubr and Winshfp voted
yes.
It I V. BUSINESS
A. KATHERINE CURREN SCHOOL PLAYGROUND COMMITTEE
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Connie Connors updated the par'k board on the
. . current status of the request. The Committee f 5
continuing to work on the addition of playground
equipment.
B. ~OINT RECREATION BOARD MEETfNG REPORT
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resident oT Minnetonka had made several compla~nts
on the Hopk i r.s owned property on the west side of'
Shady Oak Lake known as Outlot B.
The Hopkins-Minnetonka Recreation Board had
reFerred the issue to the MInnetonka and Hopkins
F-ar'j..; Bards Tor their review and recommendation.
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. The supporting documentation was rev'ewed and
discussion followed on the present cond~tfon. use.
and Future use of Outlot B. The consensus
estab 1 I shed was that the property should remafn
Hopkins. but Improvements should be made to
a I lev i ate some of the problems Indicated by
Minretonka residents.
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J. Hutchison moved and M. Winship seconded a
motion to recowmend that Outlot 8 1s maintained to
provide access to Shady Oak Lake and that the lot
is cleaned UP. parking lot repaired. signs
instal led to allow enForcement or rules. posts and
necessary barriers and gates be placed to control
access. and that the Minnetonka po lice be
requested to increase pat ro I 1 f ng of the area.
These cost to be shared with the City of
Minnetonka. On the vote; Connors. Hutchison.
Smith. Taubr and Winship voted yes. The motion
was approved.
C. HOPKINS SCHOOL DISTRICT COMMUNITY SERVICES
ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETING REPORT
Christy Smith reported that no Items of fnterest
\. to Hopkins were discussed.
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" Marcia Taubr mentioned the need ror maintenance of
the sp 1 it ra i 1 rence and tra i 1 s at Valley Park.
Ray Vogtman reported that the Centennial Barn ice
arena had been closed and that construction of
picnic tables was being accompl ished.
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Jon Thiel reported on the progress to date on the
sprinkler project and indicated the bids would be
opened March 28. 1988. Thiel requested permission
to present the bid to the city counc i I at their
Apr i 1 5th meeting without park board revIew to
expedite the construction progress.
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MEMORANOUM
DATE: May 13, 1988
TO: All Park Board Members
FROM: Jon Thiel. Pub 1 f c Works 0 i rector, l fVl,.~
SUBJECT: Shsdy OQk Park - Outlet B
ThIs memo wl'l update the status of the tmprovements
considered for Outlot B and the amount of W'ork Mlnnetonka or
HopkIns wi' I do.
Minnetonka Operations and Maintenance Director, Lloyd Pauly.,
and I met May 13 and discussed a reasonable d f v Is f on of
work. Lloyd provfded the attached sketch which 1ndfcates a
modi-ffcatlon to the exfstlng parking area and drfveway
location. These changes were made to move the parkfng away
It. I From the adjacent house and fmprove the driveway saFety.
The Minnetonka Park Board had indfcated that they would 1 fke
a max f mum of' e parking sta 1 J s whIch thfs size lot
, accomodates. They propose the Jot to have curb and strIping
~'i to delIneate f t we 1 I .
We tentatIvely agreed that Minnetonka would provfde the
.~ parking lot curb and paVing and Hopkins ~ould landscape and
seed the area and place sign posts wIth Mfnnetonka park rule
sIgns. M'fnnetonka OperatIons and MaIntenance and HopkIns
Pub I f c Works w f 11 work out a moW' f ng arrangement that 1s
acceptable
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MEMORANDUM
DATE: April 13 . 1988
TO: At 1 Park Board Members
FROM: Jon Thiel. Pub] ic Works Director J~
SUBJECT: Shady Oak Park - Outlot B
Th i s memo wi I I discuss the cost of improvements to upgrade
Shady Oak Park - Outlot B. as was discussed at the March
Park Board meeting.
Since the March meeting we have reviewed t.he condition of
the area and have cleaned up any trash and/or other debris.
We have I~E!V I ewed the condition of t.he existing parkIng lot
surface. barrier post and signs. It appears that the lot
. should be re-surfaced. the barrier posts replaced and
r'epa ired. and new signs i nsta 1 led iF the area is to continue
for parking use. Add i t i ona 1 1 y ., the area could be iandscaped
. __l ~, S I I ght 1 y to improve appearance and a gate added to control
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We estimate the cost of the repairs and improvements as
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Material Equlp/labor Total
Post Repair $ 300.00 $ 200.00 $ 500.00
Landsc3pin<] 300.00 200.00 500.00
Gate 300.00 200.00 500.00
Signs 200.00 100.00 300.00
Lot Re--s~rf"ac ing '.:j, 000.00 4,000.00 9..000.00
Lot Striping ___?JL.. 00 ,~_-.--J_O 0 . 00 150.00
$ b, 150.00 $ 4.800.00 $10.950.00
The project could be completed with Hopkins and/or
Minnetonka labor or by a contractor. A decision could be
ffid d e to forgiv(.' SCJlT1C of the labor/equipment costs if it i s
dccamp \ i st led by City forces.
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> PROM: Richard Vilson. Reoreation Director
8'lJB..J1C"l' : SHADY OAK PARK/SHADY OAI SHORES OUTLOT B
The Mlanetonka Park Board conducted a discussion on December 2, 1987 regarding
OUTLO! B. Shad7 Oak Shores. This 1s the app~ozimatelT ti8' wide portioD of Shady
Oak rark that provides aoce.s to and tram Dominic Drive. The~e i. an ezlstlng
vehio1e parkinc lot on this parkland.
The bistol"T ot this property i. 80mewhat outlined in the Minnetonka Park Board Ite.
Bo. 5 memorandum considered on De~ember 2. Following that discussion. the
Mtnaetonka Park Board recommended ~hat the parkln<< lot located on Outlet B be
rellCwd.
This item is referred to the Joint Recreation Board for a recommendation, f~om a
reoreational use point of view. The Minnetonka Park Board and Joint Recreation
Board recoaaendatione shQuld eventuallT be torwarded to the Hopkins Park Board.
Becalme ot' lIT t..UiaritT with this propert7. the Shad7 Oak Parko tbe ..a" led on
the we.t .1de or Shad7 Oak Lake. tbe be&inniq dav.lop.eat of West Sba~ Oak Parle. . .
the .ale ot a port10n of the parle land. the Shad7 Oak Shoree subdIvision. Outlot 8.
private use ot Outlot B dur1n<< oonstruction on LOT 1. 1D8.1nten&nce e~tort. on Outlot;
. B. publio use ot Shad7 OU Park. and aleo the lilianetonka Park STstea. I will present..~..
.aaa oo..ente to be considered bT tbe Recreation Board. t.
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1. IBBD FOR A PARXIWa LO!. It pu-k access to and trOll Do..inio Drive Is to be
retained. there ia & need to provide tor vehicle parkina someplace. The
na.inIo Drive residents have petitioned tor and been granted that there
viII not be parkin<< cn 0ga1nlc Drive in this area. Many residents o~
Hopkins and trom MIDDetoaJca. livinc aWaT trom this epecifto neighborhood.
deBire to U8e this park Cor shorelIne fishing. Hikil1&. bikiD&. rWUllq or
jO&llo&. wIll not satist,r the fiehing person. as the 801e mean. o~ &ettift3
to the park. Som~place must b~ provided for parking or perhap~ the
"problem" will develop on sidestreets. private drivew87s. etc.
The Mlnnetonka Park Board minutes ot December 2, 1987 indicated that park
parking 10t8 in sift&la-CamlIT use areas i8 not compatible with the
zon1n&. The history ot the City of Minnetonka park 818tem does not
support that statement. To the contrary. there is pOGsiblT no park in
Minnetonka that does not hav~ either on-street parkin8 or one or more
parking lots. Linner Park is an example of neighborhood opposition to
parking. before development b0gan at the park. In the "park planning"
stage the Park Board. Staff and eitT Council overruled the neighborhood
desires and d~veloped tvo parkin& lots in the park.
2, SHOULD THIS PARKING LOT BTAY. There 1. no indication in records ot
Minnetonka or Hopkins that this parkina lot vas intended to be removed.
The Hopkins Park Board did divcus. the i.sue in 1986 and recommended to
. the Hopkin. eit1 Council that the park1n& lot be continued.
,. MAINTENANCE OF OUTLOT B. Man,. ,ear. &10. the City ot Minnetonka. vith
OUPPQrt of . ~r~t r~om th~ W~terehed D1s~r1ct, :nd the C1~7 or ScpkiQ.,
regraded the entire land on the vest aide of Shady Oak Park, spread
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Sha.cI7 Oak l'ukfSha4,y Oak Shoree Outlot B
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Maintenance ot outlot B cont1nued
topsoil . Reeded the &Fe.. to be <<ras.. blacktopped the drlvevfi7. parkins
area and boat acce.. ramp and placed PORt. alone the rcad. drivev.., and
park1~ lot. to prevent vehicles trom the ara.sed area. When tho Shad.1
Oak Bbo~es construotlon began. much or most of theee improvements vere
deetr-OTl!Id.
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Durin<< the construction on LOT 1. OOTLOT B waa ueed for construction
vtlh1ales. storaae at ooft.~ruct1on supplies. to scrap pile debris. eto.
Bever-al posts vere knocked down and re~oved. When LOT 1 was event~ll,
craded. rubble. rocks. etc. vere moved onto OOTLOT B and lef~ there.
The Rapkin. Parks Department has continued m:l.nl111UIII maintenance duriZ1& the
put few Tears. The uu./weeds at the ent!'1' to the parkill4S lot have been
cut. Absent poats have b0en replaced. trees and underbr~h trilllllled and _
~r..b barrel has been placed on sl~.. ~o deposit debris. Park D.p....tllent
emplo,ee. perlod1cal17 walk the OUTLOT piokina up paper. cans. bottlee,
.100. !he, have not atteapted ~o r..~o~e the turt that vae destro,.d
dur1D& 'the next door c01UJ'truction.
,. POLICE BHFORCEMBHT. In recards to tbe Police Department reports and . .
eDf'oroe.ent. I spoke 'to the J111nnetonka Police Ca~tain. The Cap~ain. llu
It indioated thi8 parkins lo~ Is Dot a problem area. in comparison to aaD7 I
park. 1n the Cit7' !be "Park1nc b7 Permit Only" 1. entorced durlQ& tbe . .
.u..er .oAths but not in the vintor. Be also acreed tha~ it aeaber8 of . . .
the public. such as those desirl:nc to fish. are not allowed 'to park In the t.
, \ part and nat alloved on the ImmedIate street, the, vlll park On the
olo...t .treet available. fheretore the "probl... at vebicl.. will be
rllllOved t'roa ODe area but a1&h t be pu.hecl to lU2other.
6. IJllPRCVBlImH'lS . SlCDace can c.rtaln17 be improv.d at this OUTLOT. 1
.U&&e.~ ~he aaD7 .isn8 that have been removed. for whateVftr reason, be
replaced. The two lI!Ost 1mpor1;ant messqes are "Parklq BT Permi ~ OIll,.
and ~Park Closed 1. p.m~ - 5 a.m....
The tvo c1ties might want to share the effort and C08t to improve the
existlns parking lot s~race. the turf. and other amenl~ie8.
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